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Is a brother site to many of the people here, and lots of us, who used to be Dreamers, go there from time to time. It is currently up for an award, so please vote for it!
Just scroll till you see the name Worms Sci Fi Haven and click
http://www.arwz.com/award.php#vote
www.wormsscifi.com
Thanks all!
Just scroll till you see the name Worms Sci Fi Haven and click
http://www.arwz.com/award.php#vote
www.wormsscifi.com
Thanks all!
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I love the site. I think I voted already. (I say I think because I went there, and I think that is all you have to do? Or do I need to click on something too?)
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DonePardot Kynes wrote:Click on the Worm's Sci Fi Haven name in the list of who you can vote for.
Do you think we could be nominated next year for our treatment of Hyppo? I personally think it makes for a great read.
Something is about to happen, Hal. Something wonderful!
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Voted.
(Even though it's too image heavy for me to confortablY view much from home. )
(Even though it's too image heavy for me to confortablY view much from home. )
"Chancho...sometimes when you are a man...you wear stretchy pants...in your room...alone."
"Politics is never simple, like the sand chigger of Arrakis, one is rarely truly free of its bite."
Arrakeen is an unawakened ghola.
"Politics is never simple, like the sand chigger of Arrakis, one is rarely truly free of its bite."
Arrakeen is an unawakened ghola.
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No, ISDN, but it still takes forever.
I mean, I really like the look, and know that most of the component image files are really small, it's just the total package.
I just realized I've never looked to see if he offers a lightweight default theme....hmm.
I mean, I really like the look, and know that most of the component image files are really small, it's just the total package.
I just realized I've never looked to see if he offers a lightweight default theme....hmm.
"Chancho...sometimes when you are a man...you wear stretchy pants...in your room...alone."
"Politics is never simple, like the sand chigger of Arrakis, one is rarely truly free of its bite."
Arrakeen is an unawakened ghola.
"Politics is never simple, like the sand chigger of Arrakis, one is rarely truly free of its bite."
Arrakeen is an unawakened ghola.
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Wow. The average Japanese cell phone is faster than your computer.SandChigger wrote:No, ISDN, but it still takes forever.
I mean, I really like the look, and know that most of the component image files are really small, it's just the total package.
I just realized I've never looked to see if he offers a lightweight default theme....hmm.
Something is about to happen, Hal. Something wonderful!
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The images don't take so long to dl for me, but all the other stuff the site connects to takes forever. Paypal, the Scifi webring, and Statcounter all slow everything down. I should say the site's images don't take too long.. some of the sigs and avatars take forever. I adblock the ones that are animated or just have a huge file size.
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Thanks. I'll pop over by later and change my settings!
(Then again, do I really want to become more active on another site where than loon can PM me? Why does she do that?)
(Then again, do I really want to become more active on another site where than loon can PM me? Why does she do that?)
"Chancho...sometimes when you are a man...you wear stretchy pants...in your room...alone."
"Politics is never simple, like the sand chigger of Arrakis, one is rarely truly free of its bite."
Arrakeen is an unawakened ghola.
"Politics is never simple, like the sand chigger of Arrakis, one is rarely truly free of its bite."
Arrakeen is an unawakened ghola.
Aw come on man, the stoneage rocks dudePardot Kynes wrote:Theres a bare bones skin for all you people stuck in the stone age.
Look, I'm not much good at big speeches, and I know I haven't always been an easy guy to get on with, and I know, that given the choice, I wouldn't have chosen you as friends, but I just want to say, that over the years, I have come to regard you as people I met.
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I ain't seen hide nor hair of her there in months. I get the feeling something happened over there and Worm ran her off, but I'm not entirely sure. Worm sent me some cryptic PM's about it, but if you read between the lines, she has been made unwelcome there.SandChigger wrote:Thanks. I'll pop over by later and change my settings!
(Then again, do I really want to become more active on another site where than loon can PM me? Why does she do that?)
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So that is working for you. Which skin are you using here, Mandy? How is that working?Mandy wrote:Hey Chig, Worm made subsilver an option without any extra images.. so no banner or anything, but it's much faster!
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You should send me thoseOmphalos wrote:I ain't seen hide nor hair of her there in months. I get the feeling something happened over there and Worm ran her off, but I'm not entirely sure. Worm sent me some cryptic PM's about it, but if you read between the lines, she has been made unwelcome there.SandChigger wrote:Thanks. I'll pop over by later and change my settings!
(Then again, do I really want to become more active on another site where than loon can PM me? Why does she do that?)
I'm using subsilver here too. I don't have problems with other skins if they haven't had a lot of stuff added to them, though.Omphalos wrote:So that is working for you. Which skin are you using here, Mandy? How is that working?Mandy wrote:Hey Chig, Worm made subsilver an option without any extra images.. so no banner or anything, but it's much faster!
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I'll go check it out later, then. And thank him proper.
(I ended up not going over the other day, after reading that there weren't alternatives.)
"Chancho...sometimes when you are a man...you wear stretchy pants...in your room...alone."
"Politics is never simple, like the sand chigger of Arrakis, one is rarely truly free of its bite."
Arrakeen is an unawakened ghola.
"Politics is never simple, like the sand chigger of Arrakis, one is rarely truly free of its bite."
Arrakeen is an unawakened ghola.
Ah fuck it, there goes my post.
I'll try again...
It should look something more like
(read from right to left of course).
That's in "literary" or "classic" Arabic, mind you.
You can take out the small lines and circles that show the vowel movements.
It should read wu-rm ra-i-dar since Arabic is a bit limited in vowel movements AFAIK(only "ah", "oo/u", and "ee" AFAIK, though I bet they twist it around a bit in actual speech).
I'll try again...
It should look something more like
(read from right to left of course).
That's in "literary" or "classic" Arabic, mind you.
You can take out the small lines and circles that show the vowel movements.
It should read wu-rm ra-i-dar since Arabic is a bit limited in vowel movements AFAIK(only "ah", "oo/u", and "ee" AFAIK, though I bet they twist it around a bit in actual speech).
"Brian! Brian! Brian!" goes the refrain. "A million deaths were not enough for Brian!"
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Other than the magical dissapearing vowels (which quite a few languages do) I don't know that it's much different from reading english. Helps a bit if you speak the language.Worm wrote:whoa
that's some wild stuff. I'll never understand how people can read that and Chinese.
I deleted some of your posts because they were derailing the topic and not focusing on the issues asked, and instead going after the authors or their material. That's why. ~ BM
Mind you, my Arabic may not be 100% accurate(though that's kinda easy and even looking at Wiki' for the letters will help...even though I don't think they show connected letters there like I did in the middle of the second word), and my handwriting of it is quite horrid.
It can actually look somewhat nice, but I just can't draw it fluidly enough.
It can actually look somewhat nice, but I just can't draw it fluidly enough.
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This is why I love my Mac:
(Maybe link the yaa' and daal?)
Although you can spell out the vowels of every word in the Arabic alphabet (using those marks above and below the line), they usually just include the vowels whn thr s th pssblty f ambgty (r th wrtr uss n uncmmn wrd...lk ambgty?). Hebrew also uses a system of points and lines, mostly below line, but there was an older system of using certain of the consonantal letters to indicate vowels that remains in the spelling and that maybe makes Hebrew a wee bit easier to read than Arabic...??? (I defer to the expertise of the native on that, of course. )
Chinese is a whole other kettle of fish. You have to memorize the pronunciation of most characters. (There are a few hints, with characters sharing certain parts often having similar pronunciations.) Japanese is even more fun: the kanji characters all have at least one "Chinese" reading (on-yomi) and at least one "native Japanese" reading (kun-yomi). But more often several of the later.
Take the name Yamamoto, for example, composed of two Japanese "words", yama "moutain" and moto "origin, base". These are written with the kanji 山 and 本, which have the Chinese-style pronunciations SAN and HON (the same as in Nihon "Japan"). Words borrowed from Chinese in different historical periods can use the same kanji with different pronunciations...so it can get pretty crazy. And then there are the two syllabaries (hiragana and katakana) developed from kanji and used with the Japanese-style readings to write the inflections given to native Japanese words.
I love this shit.
(Maybe link the yaa' and daal?)
Although you can spell out the vowels of every word in the Arabic alphabet (using those marks above and below the line), they usually just include the vowels whn thr s th pssblty f ambgty (r th wrtr uss n uncmmn wrd...lk ambgty?). Hebrew also uses a system of points and lines, mostly below line, but there was an older system of using certain of the consonantal letters to indicate vowels that remains in the spelling and that maybe makes Hebrew a wee bit easier to read than Arabic...??? (I defer to the expertise of the native on that, of course. )
Chinese is a whole other kettle of fish. You have to memorize the pronunciation of most characters. (There are a few hints, with characters sharing certain parts often having similar pronunciations.) Japanese is even more fun: the kanji characters all have at least one "Chinese" reading (on-yomi) and at least one "native Japanese" reading (kun-yomi). But more often several of the later.
Take the name Yamamoto, for example, composed of two Japanese "words", yama "moutain" and moto "origin, base". These are written with the kanji 山 and 本, which have the Chinese-style pronunciations SAN and HON (the same as in Nihon "Japan"). Words borrowed from Chinese in different historical periods can use the same kanji with different pronunciations...so it can get pretty crazy. And then there are the two syllabaries (hiragana and katakana) developed from kanji and used with the Japanese-style readings to write the inflections given to native Japanese words.
I love this shit.
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"Politics is never simple, like the sand chigger of Arrakis, one is rarely truly free of its bite."
Arrakeen is an unawakened ghola.
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Arrakeen is an unawakened ghola.
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Chig, you might know this - are Hebrew and Arabic (and Tibetan while I'm on the subject) descended from Sanskrit? Obviously modern Indian languages like Hindi, Punjabi, etc are related to Sanskrit, but I've been told that Arabic Hebrew and Tibetan are not. I always assumed that they were because A: they all leave out vowels and B: they all look related to Sanskrit to me (I know, that's weak). I'm pretty sure Sanskrit is older than all 3, but I may have this backwards and inside out.SandChigger wrote:
Although you can spell out the vowels of every word in the Arabic alphabet (using those marks above and below the line), they usually just include the vowels whn thr s th pssblty f ambgty (r th wrtr uss n uncmmn wrd...lk ambgty?). Hebrew also uses a system of points and lines, mostly below line, but there was an older system of using certain of the consonantal letters to indicate vowels that remains in the spelling and that maybe makes Hebrew a wee bit easier to read than Arabic...??? (I defer to the expertise of the native on that, of course. )
Care to shed some light on this topic for an ignorant westerner? Am I completely out to lunch?
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Yes.
And could you grab me a bagel and some baklava while you're out?
Um...let's see...if you mean the languages and not the writing systems...
Sanskrit is one of the Elder Tongues, up there with Latin and Greek...and actually related to both and, ultimately, English as well: it's Indo-European. What puts the "Indo-" in Indo-European, in fact!
Arabic and Hebrew are Semitic, related to Ancient Egyptian and Aramaic, Phoenician, Akkadian, etc. They're originally unrelated to the IE languages above.
Tibetan is now classed as Tibeto-Burman evidently; used to see the term Sino-Tibetan as well. Unrelated to anything above.
I'd have to drag out the books to figure out which is oldest. (Were the Indians writing Sanskrit before the Hebrews were writing their scriptures? I forget!)
As for writing systems, the Hebrew (and our alphabet...alpha and beta from aleph and beth!) comes originally from Egyptian hieroglyphics via Phoenician; the Hebrew is older than the Arabic. (It probably ultimately derives from the same source.)
I'm drawing a blank on the origins of the Sanskrit devanagari. I think it was taught to the Indians by whale-toting Sirians. (Not Syrians, mind you!)
From a quick tool around da WP it looks like the Sanskrit system may have also developed from a Semitic script.
Don't quote me on this, but I think the places where writing has arisen completely independently are Egypt (hieroglyphics), Sumer (cuneiform) and China (Hanzi/Chinese characters). Oh, and Central America?
Hope that clears things up a bit...even if it is rather foggy.
And could you grab me a bagel and some baklava while you're out?
Um...let's see...if you mean the languages and not the writing systems...
Sanskrit is one of the Elder Tongues, up there with Latin and Greek...and actually related to both and, ultimately, English as well: it's Indo-European. What puts the "Indo-" in Indo-European, in fact!
Arabic and Hebrew are Semitic, related to Ancient Egyptian and Aramaic, Phoenician, Akkadian, etc. They're originally unrelated to the IE languages above.
Tibetan is now classed as Tibeto-Burman evidently; used to see the term Sino-Tibetan as well. Unrelated to anything above.
I'd have to drag out the books to figure out which is oldest. (Were the Indians writing Sanskrit before the Hebrews were writing their scriptures? I forget!)
As for writing systems, the Hebrew (and our alphabet...alpha and beta from aleph and beth!) comes originally from Egyptian hieroglyphics via Phoenician; the Hebrew is older than the Arabic. (It probably ultimately derives from the same source.)
I'm drawing a blank on the origins of the Sanskrit devanagari. I think it was taught to the Indians by whale-toting Sirians. (Not Syrians, mind you!)
From a quick tool around da WP it looks like the Sanskrit system may have also developed from a Semitic script.
Don't quote me on this, but I think the places where writing has arisen completely independently are Egypt (hieroglyphics), Sumer (cuneiform) and China (Hanzi/Chinese characters). Oh, and Central America?
Hope that clears things up a bit...even if it is rather foggy.
"Chancho...sometimes when you are a man...you wear stretchy pants...in your room...alone."
"Politics is never simple, like the sand chigger of Arrakis, one is rarely truly free of its bite."
Arrakeen is an unawakened ghola.
"Politics is never simple, like the sand chigger of Arrakis, one is rarely truly free of its bite."
Arrakeen is an unawakened ghola.
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Clears it up quite a bit. Thank you. I'll take your word on the subject (matches up with some of what I've heard/read before too) though it seems weird that a country all the way over in South Asia has the same roots as mediterranean languages, while languages from countries inbetween have roots in Africa. The Hebrew/Arabic from Egypt makes sense geographically, I'm curious as to why the Indian sub continent has European ties... Anyways... I'm sure that gets a hell of a lot more complicated and I should probably send some time at the library or searching the internet and stop bugging you with my crazy questions.SandChigger wrote:Yes.
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Um...let's see...if you mean the languages and not the writing systems...]
Sanskrit is one of the Elder Tongues, up there with Latin and Greek...and actually related to both and, ultimately, English as well: it's Indo-European. What puts the "Indo-" in Indo-European, in fact!
Arabic and Hebrew are Semitic, related to Ancient Egyptian and Aramaic, Phoenician, Akkadian, etc. They're originally unrelated to the IE languages above.
Tibetan is now classed as Tibeto-Burman evidently; used to see the term Sino-Tibetan as well. Unrelated to anything above.
I'd have to drag out the books to figure out which is oldest. (Were the Indians writing Sanskrit before the Hebrews were writing their scriptures? I forget!)
As for writing systems, the Hebrew (and our alphabet...alpha and beta from aleph and beth!) comes originally from Egyptian hieroglyphics via Phoenician; the Hebrew is older than the Arabic. (It probably ultimately derives from the same source.)
I'm drawing a blank on the origins of the Sanskrit devanagari. I think it was taught to the Indians by whale-toting Sirians. (Not Syrians, mind you!)
From a quick tool around da WP it looks like the Sanskrit system may have also developed from a Semitic script.
Don't quote me on this, but I think the places where writing has arisen completely independently are Egypt (hieroglyphics), Sumer (cuneiform) and China (Hanzi/Chinese characters). Oh, and Central America?
Hope that clears things up a bit...even if it is rather foggy.
I deleted some of your posts because they were derailing the topic and not focusing on the issues asked, and instead going after the authors or their material. That's why. ~ BM
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This image (linked)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:IE_expansion.png
kinda illustrates the hypothesized area of origin and migration routes. (It's 151 KB, so I didn't fix it to load here!)
Here's the explanation:
The Assyrians were aliens, of course. Their name is from Babylonian asz "from" + Surians "Sirius".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:IE_expansion.png
kinda illustrates the hypothesized area of origin and migration routes. (It's 151 KB, so I didn't fix it to load here!)
Here's the explanation:
The Hittites (in Turkey; their empire clashed with the Egyptian) and the Persians were also Indo-Europeans.Indo-European expansion 4000–1000 BC, according to the Kurgan hypothesis.
Even within the Kurgan hypothesis, there is considerable uncertainty, mainly depending on assumptions about the Tocharians, the Corded Ware culture and the Beaker culture.
The central purple area is supposed to show early Yamna culture (4000–3500 BC); the dark red area could show expansion to about 2500 BC, and the lighter red area expansion to about 1000 BC.
The Assyrians were aliens, of course. Their name is from Babylonian asz "from" + Surians "Sirius".
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Arrakeen is an unawakened ghola.
"Politics is never simple, like the sand chigger of Arrakis, one is rarely truly free of its bite."
Arrakeen is an unawakened ghola.
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I think it was because of Marco Polo, but I'm not entirely sure.though it seems weird that a country all the way over in South Asia has the same roots as mediterranean languages, while languages from countries inbetween have roots in Africa.
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Nah. Definitely nekhroid pants whales.
Marco Polo? What did he ever do? Brought home da pasta and ended up in gaol. Some hero! Phooey!
Marco Polo? What did he ever do? Brought home da pasta and ended up in gaol. Some hero! Phooey!
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"Politics is never simple, like the sand chigger of Arrakis, one is rarely truly free of its bite."
Arrakeen is an unawakened ghola.
"Politics is never simple, like the sand chigger of Arrakis, one is rarely truly free of its bite."
Arrakeen is an unawakened ghola.
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Interesting. I have a lot of brushing up to do on early human migration, but this would be long, long after the rest of the world had been populated by people correct? A second/third/fourth/so on migration? I'm going to stop bugging you about this, I can't be asking you every question that pops into my head (this map just begs more questions from me, and trust me, I already had a lot on this subject )
I'm thinking of taking some post-secondary this year, maybe I'll take some classes on linguistics and ask you more questions when you don't have to explain the rudiments to me. Thanks again.
I'm thinking of taking some post-secondary this year, maybe I'll take some classes on linguistics and ask you more questions when you don't have to explain the rudiments to me. Thanks again.
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Seriously, one of the things I love reading about most in history is mass migrations of peoples. I don't know what it is about that topic, but I'm a complete sucker for any book about it.
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I forget when it was we were supposed to have come out of Africa. ("I had a farm...?") WP says 60,000 years ago.
Ooh! Small enough to embed: Map of early human migrations according to mitochondrial population genetics:
(This one's even more impressive, but nearly 300 KB:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ations.jpg )
The oldest date associated with the IE migration map is 4000 BCE. So the people who became the Indo-Europeans could have been there for a long time.
Or not, as the case may be. Writing wasn't one of their many talents, unfortunately....
Imagine the history that has been lost...150,000 to 200,000 years. Imagine the peoples, the languages, the kingdoms and wars. How sad...how wondrous.
Ooh! Small enough to embed: Map of early human migrations according to mitochondrial population genetics:
(This one's even more impressive, but nearly 300 KB:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ations.jpg )
The oldest date associated with the IE migration map is 4000 BCE. So the people who became the Indo-Europeans could have been there for a long time.
Or not, as the case may be. Writing wasn't one of their many talents, unfortunately....
Imagine the history that has been lost...150,000 to 200,000 years. Imagine the peoples, the languages, the kingdoms and wars. How sad...how wondrous.
"Chancho...sometimes when you are a man...you wear stretchy pants...in your room...alone."
"Politics is never simple, like the sand chigger of Arrakis, one is rarely truly free of its bite."
Arrakeen is an unawakened ghola.
"Politics is never simple, like the sand chigger of Arrakis, one is rarely truly free of its bite."
Arrakeen is an unawakened ghola.
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I think humans came out of Africa long before that, but the first wave of North Americans migrated starting about 60K yrs ago. B, can you enlighten us?
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That third map (only linked to) shows something like 35,000 to 25,000 years ago for arrival in the Eastern US. 70,000 to 60,000 years seems to be the range for coming out of Africa in the articles on WP.
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Actually, I meant that I thought 60K years ago was when dem ancient homo types crossed the land bridge. I took a while to get to Maine and Tierra del Fuego. Proably not 30K+ years, but I think there was not just one wave.
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I was under the impression that was about 25K years ago.Omphalos wrote:Actually, I meant that I thought 60K years ago was when dem ancient homo types crossed the land bridge. I took a while to get to Maine and Tierra del Fuego. Proably not 30K+ years, but I think there was not just one wave.
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Well, that's what I did(unless you meant Worm's image), since they're supposed to connect.SandChigger wrote:This is why I love my Mac:
(Maybe link the yaa' and daal?)
I got rid of the Alif since I don't really see any elongation of the movement thingy...it's a short "ra", not "rah".
I must say though that your image is a bit misleading, Chig.
First, the "waw" and "ra" seem to be connected due to their curvature, and second, the "m" letter(forgot the name for it) should actually be a closed circle/elipse with a line dropping, not so open at the end like that.
I blame the font...kinda the official "print" font though.
Yes. I for instance can't read any Arabic(well, the little I actually can) if it doesn't have Harakat(?), that system of vowel dots and lines.Although you can spell out the vowels of every word in the Arabic alphabet (using those marks above and below the line), they usually just include the vowels whn thr s th pssblty f ambgty (r th wrtr uss n uncmmn wrd...lk ambgty?). Hebrew also uses a system of points and lines, mostly below line, but there was an older system of using certain of the consonantal letters to indicate vowels that remains in the spelling and that maybe makes Hebrew a wee bit easier to read than Arabic...??? (I defer to the expertise of the native on that, of course. )
In Hebrew(as the Wiki' page also explains...search for "nikud") we can either use similar dots and lines(mostly for kids/books where there's a foreign term/name, like in Dune, then the word would have it the first time it appears then without it), but for practical writing you do it without, just add vowels in some words(chtiv ma-le, as they would call it in Wiki' I believe).
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You're right, you did connect them. But you used a form of yaa' that doesn't exist.orald wrote:Well, that's what I did(unless you meant Worm's image), since they're supposed to connect.SandChigger wrote:(Maybe link the yaa' and daal?)
That's the Fremen usage of the alphabet from The Dune Encyclopedia. Alif is used for 'a' and there is only one form variant for each of the letters.I got rid of the Alif since I don't really see any elongation of the movement thingy...it's a short "ra", not "rah".
Right. Take it up with the font maker, not me. However, neither waaw nor raa' join to following letters, so even if they touch and appear to join, no one familiar with the writing system would mistake them for something else.I must say though that your image is a bit misleading, Chig.
First, the "waw" and "ra" seem to be connected due to their curvature, and second, the "m" letter(forgot the name for it) should actually be a closed circle/elipse with a line dropping, not so open at the end like that.
I blame the font...kinda the official "print" font though.
Yes. I was referring to the old, pre-nikud system whereby aleph, yodh and wau were used to indicate approximate vowel qualities, as mnemonics of a sort.Yes. I for instance can't read any Arabic(well, the little I actually can) if it doesn't have Harakat(?), that system of vowel dots and lines.Although you can spell out the vowels of every word in the Arabic alphabet (using those marks above and below the line), they usually just include the vowels whn thr s th pssblty f ambgty (r th wrtr uss n uncmmn wrd...lk ambgty?). Hebrew also uses a system of points and lines, mostly below line, but there was an older system of using certain of the consonantal letters to indicate vowels that remains in the spelling and that maybe makes Hebrew a wee bit easier to read than Arabic...??? (I defer to the expertise of the native on that, of course. )
In Hebrew(as the Wiki' page also explains...search for "nikud") we can either use similar dots and lines(mostly for kids/books where there's a foreign term/name, like in Dune, then the word would have it the first time it appears then without it), but for practical writing you do it without, just add vowels in some words(chtiv ma-le, as they would call it in Wiki' I believe).
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Argh, I think I gave the yaa' an "s" like curve in the begining like the connected final form has(IIRC)...You're right, it's supposed to be straight.
But hey, learning stupid, primitive, camel-fucking languages ain't MY job.
But hey, learning stupid, primitive, camel-fucking languages ain't MY job.
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Good question!
I'm winding down here (it's 3:00 AM), but I'll have a look through the Encyclopedia when I get back up...in about five hours!
(I'm assuming the direction of writing was kept the same as in Modern Arabic, but that's one of the details to check. It currently reads left-to-right, or backwards, as I think Orald might have pointed out above.)
I'm winding down here (it's 3:00 AM), but I'll have a look through the Encyclopedia when I get back up...in about five hours!
(I'm assuming the direction of writing was kept the same as in Modern Arabic, but that's one of the details to check. It currently reads left-to-right, or backwards, as I think Orald might have pointed out above.)
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I don't know what it is here the last few days, Orald, but I'm not finding you very amusing at all. I mean, I don't know what this silly example of attempted innuendo is supposed to achieve, seeing as you know nothing at all about my college years or how my education was paid for.orald wrote:Better and cleaner than what you did to get the money for your uni/collage.SandChigger wrote:No, your job is pumping gas.
I have only your word that you are working part-time pumping gas at a station, but I can't imagine why you would fabricate something like that. I worked at my uncle's truck stop/gas station the last summer before I entered uni, mostly just to help out and for some extra spending money. It's not the most pleasant job in the world, and some customers are real idiots, but it's not going to kill you, either. After that summer, I was fortunate enough to get by without having to do it again. I certainly don't look down, in general, on people who have to work to pay for their own schooling and living expenses. For you, though, I'll make an exception, since you seem determined to be an ass about it.
For your information, I did really well in high school (without even trying that hard) and as a result received a couple of academic scholarships. Also got some money from the Veterans Administration because my father died of a condition incurred while he was in the Air Force, and some grant money because I came from a single-parent home with a limited income. I was never rich or rolling in money, but I wasn't hurting too bad, either. Then I had a University Fellowship my first year in graduate school and research and teaching assistantships all the time after that.
Think about that while the gasoline fumes are curling your no-doubt copious nosehairs. And if you can find something in that to make further fun of, well then knock yourself out.
And, um, by the way: learning the languages of superstitious, vindictive racists is something I do FOR FUN. Hebrew, for example.
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Ahem. Sorry...seems I have a low patience level today for idiocy.
The script is still written right-to-left, so basically, Worm, the letters in your sig image need to be rearranged in the reverse order of what they are now.
(If my mood improves and I feel frisky later, I may try giving editing your image a whirl. No promises at the moment, though.)
I had a look at the "Fremen Language" article in The Dune Encyclopedia. On p. 237 in the section entitled Graphemics there's a table of the modified Arabic alphabet used by the Fremen and an example of Fremen writing (Innama nishuf...the words used in that one song, perhaps?).Worm wrote:So... I'm confused. How should the Fremen writing in my sig look?
The script is still written right-to-left, so basically, Worm, the letters in your sig image need to be rearranged in the reverse order of what they are now.
(If my mood improves and I feel frisky later, I may try giving editing your image a whirl. No promises at the moment, though.)
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I was trying to think of the right way to word that sentiment.SandChigger wrote: And, um, by the way: learning the languages of superstitious, vindictive racists is something I do FOR FUN. Hebrew, for example.
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Gee...I was pissy, huh?
(I put the computer to sleep and went back outside and weeded and messed around in the "yarden" all afternoon. Much happier with the world now. )
(I put the computer to sleep and went back outside and weeded and messed around in the "yarden" all afternoon. Much happier with the world now. )
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Looks like I'm a member at Worm's now.That could be fun.
That is awefully nice of you. If I have time, I'll give it a whirl too. Thanks for the info, now that I know what it should look like, that makes it all the more easier.SandChigger wrote:Ahem. Sorry...seems I have a low patience level today for idiocy.
I had a look at the "Fremen Language" article in The Dune Encyclopedia. On p. 237 in the section entitled Graphemics there's a table of the modified Arabic alphabet used by the Fremen and an example of Fremen writing (Innama nishuf...the words used in that one song, perhaps?).Worm wrote:So... I'm confused. How should the Fremen writing in my sig look?
The script is still written right-to-left, so basically, Worm, the letters in your sig image need to be rearranged in the reverse order of what they are now.
(If my mood improves and I feel frisky later, I may try giving editing your image a whirl. No promises at the moment, though.)
**Insert evil Emperor accent here** "Excellent!"Nekhrun wrote:Looks like I'm a member at Worm's now.That could be fun.
For someone who claims not to look down at people having to work for their schooling money, you spend alot of time commenting about me pumping gas, breathing the fumes etc.
And it's not a part-time job, it's full time, 8.5(officially, it's a bit more IRL) a day, each day of the week(well, Saturdays I've only been put in the "secondary" slot so it's only 5 hours then).
These past two days(and tomorrow too) I've had a 10.5-11 hour work day because we're short of workers ATM.
As long as you keep mentioning it as some kind of a joke I'll keep saying my stuff too.
And it's not a part-time job, it's full time, 8.5(officially, it's a bit more IRL) a day, each day of the week(well, Saturdays I've only been put in the "secondary" slot so it's only 5 hours then).
These past two days(and tomorrow too) I've had a 10.5-11 hour work day because we're short of workers ATM.
As long as you keep mentioning it as some kind of a joke I'll keep saying my stuff too.
And Japanese?Chig wrote:And, um, by the way: learning the languages of superstitious, vindictive racists is something I do FOR FUN. Hebrew, for example.
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chanilover wrote:Or American English.SandChigger wrote:And, um, by the way: learning the languages of superstitious, vindictive racists is something I do FOR FUN. Hebrew, for example.
Hey, this is fun, my turn! Or.... British english. Or French. We can go on all day!
Sheesh people.
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Yeah, probably better to let it die, since everything's a competition and some people hate to lose.
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