The Good Doctor's Dune Timeline
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:41 pm
I figure that someday soon it may be time to more thoroughly parse this thing.
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He was a very nice guy, who willingly offered that this is his hobby, that he claims all errors as his own, and that he is NOT Kevin's yes-man. He also confirmed that Kevin lied when he said that he was a "Dune PhD," who "checked for consistency." What he did was make the timeline based on the books, that Anderson then probably gave to his little club of proofers, who then used it to check against the text.SandChigger wrote:The very first entry (when sandtrout brought to Arrakis) is completely unjustifiable as well.
I've thought about writing Torkos directly. Omph contacted him about the "Dune Ph.D." thing. He seemed fairly nice, right, Omph?
What a cock he is.Omphalos wrote:He was a very nice guy, who willingly offered that this is his hobby, that he claims all errors as his own, and that he is NOT Kevin's yes-man. He also confirmed that Kevin lied when he said that he was a "Dune PhD," who "checked for consistency." What he did was make the timeline based on the books, that Anderson then probably gave to his little club of proofers, who then used it to check against the text.SandChigger wrote:The very first entry (when sandtrout brought to Arrakis) is completely unjustifiable as well.
I've thought about writing Torkos directly. Omph contacted him about the "Dune Ph.D." thing. He seemed fairly nice, right, Omph?
Dont you love how Anderson was crystal clear about that?
I will never stop thinking how stupid that was. How dumb do you have to be to ignore one of the few concrete facts that there are? Some team 'a monkeys hes got there, checking his words.Tleilax Master B wrote:Actually, if what Torkos says is true, than KJA's lackies didn't do their job worth a shit either. As anyone who has read Sandworms and Hunters knows, apparently the entire Scattering and all the known worlds take place in "a" galaxy. Dr. Torkos has this entry in the timeline:
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Through gradual growth, Leto II’s empire becomes multigalactic. [God Emperor of Dune]
So if they were using it to match up to their stories, the dumbasses should have known that the Scattering was multigalactic, making it a hell of a lot harder for a machine army to "surround" it
Id like to hear KJA's real explanation for all of this. For example, what prescient was powerful enough before Paul came along that would even push someone to develop no technology? What problem was it designed to deal with? Norma? Fucking please, but just assuming that Frank meant her to even exist, nobody knew about her. The BG? The few with prescience Im sure were not powerful enough. The Guild? Linear only, and used for safety, as the Guild stayed out of politics. So why would this thing have even been built in the first place before Paul or Leto.Tleilax Master B wrote:GAWD, I fucking hate this also:
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Ixians reinvent the no-field, unaware of the similar invention of the richesian Chobyn. Leto II’s no-chamber is built at Dar-es-Balat, on Arrakis. [God Emperor of Dune]
This was KJA's response also to the email questions that Chigger sent him. Its so fucking stupid that in the prequel world amazing inventions occur (no technology, nearly perfect face dancers, synthetic spice) and then the entire Duniverse regresses and loses all this progress, and then re-innovates it all--independent of the previous discoveries--and barely catches up to the level of the prequels by the end of Chapterhouse.
Hoping for too much there, I'm afraid.Omphalos wrote:Id like to hear KJA's real explanation for all of this.
Oh, come now Chigger. You and I both know they are the "two biggest Dune fans" out there! And I'm certain we will all learn something once that huge and comprehensive "concordance" Brian did is releasedSandChigger wrote:Hoping for too much there, I'm afraid.Omphalos wrote:Id like to hear KJA's real explanation for all of this.
And besides, why should he have to EXPLAIN anything? To you or anyone. He's the writer, dammit! NO ONE KNOWS HOW HARD ART IS!
Except maybe Eru's copy of Sadworms. And a conference table in Atlanta?
(You'd think he'd have gotten a splinter or two, no? Ouch! )
Anyway, what other explanation do we need seek than their obvious need to have everything bigger, better, and earlier than in FH's books?
There must be a lot of rewriting going on because the proofing team thinks its shit.Tleilax Master B wrote:Oh, come now Chigger. You and I both know they are the "two biggest Dune fans" out there! And I'm certain we will all learn something once that huge and comprehensive "concordance" Brian did is releasedSandChigger wrote:Hoping for too much there, I'm afraid.Omphalos wrote:Id like to hear KJA's real explanation for all of this.
And besides, why should he have to EXPLAIN anything? To you or anyone. He's the writer, dammit! NO ONE KNOWS HOW HARD ART IS!
Except maybe Eru's copy of Sadworms. And a conference table in Atlanta?
(You'd think he'd have gotten a splinter or two, no? Ouch! )
Anyway, what other explanation do we need seek than their obvious need to have everything bigger, better, and earlier than in FH's books?
Over on dunenovels awhile back I pointed out the remarkable similarities between the DE version of how the BJ started and the Pinky & the Brain version (the "female Butler has baby killed and gets pissed" scenario). Byron said he would ask them if they used the DE at all for their shit, I mean "books". I asked him again yesterday if he had gotten a response and he replied:
" I did but haven't heard from them. They're working deadlines right now. Sorry for the delay."
Its a lot of work cranking out 5 books a year you know!
By ego maybe. I'll conceed that to them and gladly take third.Tleilax Master B wrote:Oh, come now Chigger. You and I both know they are the "two biggest Dune fans" out there!
Why would you ever do that?Freakzilla wrote:By ego maybe. I'll conceed that to them and gladly take third.Tleilax Master B wrote:Oh, come now Chigger. You and I both know they are the "two biggest Dune fans" out there!
Do you think he could mean that the pearl of awareness is somehow some kind of sentinel, watching to make sure that we dont run afoul of the path? What the heck is that about?Tleilax Master B wrote:appr. 14000 A.G.
Arrakis is once more a desert. Scattered in the sandworms yet again ruling the planet is Leto II’s conscience condemned to muteness, ensuring the continuity of the Golden Path. [God Emperor of Dune]
How is that "ensuring" the Golden Path??
No clue. Obviously, Leto's trout going back into the sands was part of the Scattering, since they and Tleilaxu provide all the spice needed to scatter after the Famine Times. But I think the Golden Path is pretty much set in place by then. I have no idea what he means by that--I hope KJA didn't influence him because that dickhole doesn't have the slightest clue what the GP was all about.Omphalos wrote:Do you think he could mean that the pearl of awareness is somehow some kind of sentinel, watching to make sure that we dont run afoul of the path? What the heck is that about?Tleilax Master B wrote:appr. 14000 A.G.
Arrakis is once more a desert. Scattered in the sandworms yet again ruling the planet is Leto II’s conscience condemned to muteness, ensuring the continuity of the Golden Path. [God Emperor of Dune]
How is that "ensuring" the Golden Path??
Exactly. That is what he was waiting to die for. Duh!Tleilax Master B wrote:No clue. Obviously, Leto's trout going back into the sands was part of the Scattering, since they and Tleilaxu provide all the spice needed to scatter after the Famine Times. But I think the Golden Path is pretty much set in place by then. I have no idea what he means by that--I hope KJA didn't influence him because that dickhole doesn't have the slightest clue what the GP was all about.
Don't forget Hectate's kinetic spheres!Tleilax Master B wrote: This was KJA's response also to the email questions that Chigger sent him. Its so fucking stupid that in the prequel world amazing inventions occur (no technology, nearly perfect face dancers, synthetic spice) and then the entire Duniverse regresses and loses all this progress, and then re-innovates it all--independent of the previous discoveries--and barely catches up to the level of the prequels by the end of Chapterhouse.
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You just don't get the elevation with metal that you get with plastic.SandChigger wrote:A new application of an old trick with benwa balls?Skibum wrote:Don't forget Hectate's kinetic spheres!
Well, OK, it's more commonly done with pingpong balls. So Sue me.
I'm mildly intoxicated(an understatement, I assure you), but I'm sure Leto knew that he would end up as the "pearls of awareness," he talked about it with Hwi, I think.SandChigger wrote:He sees the pearls of awareness as something Leto planned, as part of the GP;
I got a set of those a few years ago for Xmas and on the box there was a warning which said "Do not insert into mouth or any other orifice."Omphalos wrote:You just don't get the elevation with metal that you get with plastic.SandChigger wrote:A new application of an old trick with benwa balls?Skibum wrote:Don't forget Hectate's kinetic spheres!
Well, OK, it's more commonly done with pingpong balls. So Sue me.
Bah, disregard that warning and insert awayEru wrote:I got a set of those a few years ago for Xmas and on the box there was a warning which said "Do not insert into mouth or any other orifice."Omphalos wrote:You just don't get the elevation with metal that you get with plastic.SandChigger wrote:A new application of an old trick with benwa balls?Skibum wrote:Don't forget Hectate's kinetic spheres!
Well, OK, it's more commonly done with pingpong balls. So Sue me.
It should have ended with, "or attempt to eject at high speeds."Eru wrote:I got a set of those a few years ago for Xmas and on the box there was a warning which said "Do not insert into mouth or any other orifice."Omphalos wrote:You just don't get the elevation with metal that you get with plastic.SandChigger wrote:A new application of an old trick with benwa balls?Skibum wrote:Don't forget Hectate's kinetic spheres!
Well, OK, it's more commonly done with pingpong balls. So Sue me.
Sorry if that wasn't clear. The issue wasn't whether Leto knew how he'd end up (you're quite right, he did), but whether he planned it, that it was a result of something he did. That's what I don't see.Phaedrus wrote:I'm mildly intoxicated(an understatement, I assure you), but I'm sure Leto knew that he would end up as the "pearls of awareness," he talked about it with Hwi, I think.SandChigger wrote:He sees the pearls of awareness as something Leto planned, as part of the GP;
Cool.SandChigger wrote:Guess who I heard from by mail today! Edric.
Seems he's been busy working on an Orthodox Herbertarian version of the timeline..."purging" the new book references.
Have just glanced through it so far, but it looks like he has included a lot more of the Dune appendix data than the Torkos original does.
More later....