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I'd like to hear about everything from colors to rules.

What's the difference between "The Bible" and "The Holy Bible"? About 138 points on the SAT. But really, it's because human beings input data on their "favorite books" into Facebook, and some people use one term, and some people use the other. Is the graph generated au...

chanilover wrote:
Mandy wrote:Has he ever had an original idea?
Calling his illicit gay flings "hiking" is a new one.

Good one.

Omphalos wrote:Thanks. Im sure arnoldo will join your fourm and start spouting gibberish in your chapter threads. We'll just keep the pure version here.

The hell he will.

BTW, I'd still mirror the reading group here for back-up. I'm glad you suggested that Omph.

I got the impression that this was more of a general sci-fi forum or I wouldn't even have thought about starting my own, much less mentioning it here. I too like it the way it is here now, it's got a "invitation only" feel and I'd hate to lose that. I was kicking around the name "Jacu...

I'm seriously considering starting my own Dune forum.

Omphalos wrote:The Gutenberg Project recently added a SF bookshelf to its web page.

This is awesome news!

...I still love perusing different ones to decide if the voters/creators are on to something, or high on crack. In defense of the crackheads, even they can be on to something now and then. :wink: I can't imagine they do a lot of reading though. Audio books would be more their speed. Hey, maybe that...

You know I'll be there... if I can remember.

What's the difference between "The Bible" and "The Holy Bible"?

I think I'm going to ban myself from there and never go back.

Omphalos wrote:It looks like its set up for kids and teens, but I think participating looks pretty fun.

This invitation will be open to everyone and we do mean everyone.

"I must rule with eye and claw -- as the hawk among lesser birds." -Atreides assertion (Ref: BG Archives) Teg blends into the foot traffic on the road at daybreak after cleaning himself up and removing any signs of rank. Durring the night he had learned to deal with his new second vision ...

Memory has a curious meaning to me, a meaning I have hoped others might share. It continually astonished me how people hide from their ancestral memories, shielding themselves behind a thick barrier of mythos. Ohhh, I do not expect them to seek the terrible immediacy of every living moment which I ...

You will learn the integrated communication methods as you complete the next step in your mentat education. This is a gestalten function which will overlay data paths in your awareness, resolving complexities and masses of input from the mentat index-catalogue techniques which you already have mast...

OK... I'm going to go read Dune now...

Omphalos wrote:Do you suppose that she is pleased now because arnoldo is safe from verbal assault?

What goes on in her head is god's own private mystery.

I don't know what that was supposed to solve, I don't think I even want to hear it.

Tleilax Master B wrote:Surely Crysknife is siding with you Freak; I just can't see him agreeing with her.....

I'll let Crys speak for himself. I've said far too much on the topic as it is and I'm sure it will only cause me more drama.

Omphalos wrote:I'll bet he meant Hymaintenance was bitching about what one user called another.

Something like that.

SandChigger wrote:...are you saying the admins are calling each other names?

no!

I like being dissassociated from other people. They're all nuts.

Let Arrakeen die Freak??? Are you actually that fed up? Yes. I guess I'm just surprised because you have been somewhat neutral about it all (although, I'm certain you have had strong opinions in PMs and the like). Believe me, there is discussion between the admins there. It's gotten to where I drea...

Nekhrun wrote:I did see that the Trivia thread on DN had a prequel question running through it now.

Asked by arnolodo and answered by Byron.

A question for Freak & Crys: Is she running any of this stuff past you guys or anyone or just doing it all on her own? Not recently since I told her what I thought. Have you asked her about any of it? (Putting troll on the "bad word" list was completely uncalled for IMO.) I've been in...

Mandy wrote:...or do you still have to squint to read the posts?

You still have to squint.

I saw this the other night. It wasn't half bad in the alternate history department, but it did make some really outrageous assumptions about the nature of the war and some key historical events. Worth a peek, tho. Can someone tell me what network its airing on? I saw it on IFC (Independant Film Cha...

The South DID invade the North. What state do you think Gettysburg was in? The year before they invaded Maryland.

Confederate States of America I just watched this and it was very disturbing. Anyone seen it? It answers the question, "What if the South had one?" I know it's not Sci-Fi, but I've always like the alternative history stories. The Confederate States of America, through the eyes of a faux do...

Brian Herbert has not just tarnished his father's legacy, he has ridden atop a burning money train straight down the gullet of his father's dessicated corpse, exploding it in a shower of creepy sex scenes and lame multi-page descriptions of giant robots fighting. Burn in hell forever, Brian Herbert...

I guess that was a gross way of saying I'd rather watch a movie on my own home theater system in my living room.

Nekhrun wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:Just seeing Omnius and Erasmus at the end of Hunters was a slap in the face to me, I've never even considered Snadworms.
Oh, you've got to read it then! Your hate will make you strong!

I'm tired of fighting. The HLP doesn't care what FH fans think, they have new fans.

Just seeing Omnius and Erasmus at the end of Hunters was a slap in the face to me, I've never even considered Snadworms.

Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic. -from "The Sayings of Muad'Dib" by the Princess Irulan The Baron demands an explanation from Hawat as to why he insisted a message be sent to R...

HVAC though presented a big learning curve. That is a very technical trade. I work closely with HVAC. A fire alarm will shut down the air handling units and dampers to prevent the spread of smoke. Imagine something that technical but also being a matter of life and death. But back on topic... I thi...

It would take a lot to get me into a theater these days.

Unless the theater lets me drink beer in my underwear while scratching myself.

But it looks interesting. I'm very curious to find out more about it.

I think it was Carlos Mencia I heard say that people don't get married out of love, they settle for someone who will put up with their crap.

Im so glad to be done with all that. Right after I passed the bar exam I promised myself I would never, ever take another test again. And I pretty much havent. I even left a job because they wanted me to get my real estate agent's license. Not like I needed it, I had a bar license, but I left. This...

They'd have to pay me to read it.

I can almost gaaaahrantee that he never goes down on her. AND that he rarely if ever lets her go down on him. STRICTLY missionary, in keeping with the dictastes of Xian decency. :wink: Whaddaya think? He probably wouldn't want to plunge into the delta of venus, and as for her giving him head, I can...

SandChigger wrote:I don't get it, his "girl" looks kinda hot in their MySpace pic.

Hottness does not always equal freakiness. It's very frustrating.

The Fremen speak Chakobsa, don't they? I don't think there was a Fremen language. I think you're right, in that I don't think you're wrong. :D I think I had it in my head that Fremen = anything remotely Arabic-looking as I was glancing through the Terminology there earlier. (Even though I know or s...

The Fremen speak Chakobsa, don't they? I don't think there was a Fremen language. I think you're right, in that I don't think you're wrong. :D I think I had it in my head that Fremen = anything remotely Arabic-looking as I was glancing through the Terminology there earlier. (Even though I know or s...

Omphalos wrote:Actually, I drink coffee and tea sometimes, but my thing is Coke. Im addicted.

That's nothin'. I'm drinking coffee and chasing it with coke.

SandChigger wrote:Just a few that leapt out at me, looking through the "Terminology". We'll have to distinguish standard Galach from Arrakeen dialect and Fremen.

The Fremen speak Chakobsa, don't they? I don't think there was a Fremen language.

chanilover wrote: Is that creature all over the internet? I thought he was doing a masters in something or other, how does he find the time?

He probably doesn't work and lives off the taxes I pay.

I kinda half watched it, it was OK. I seems like it would have made a good movie but I don't know how long they could hold my interest in a series. It seems like with so many series, once the original premise is done it just turns into every other show. Summer Glau is one hot terminator: http://uplo...

I think you could probably support a methamphetmine habbit for cheaper than going to Starbucks.

As to what the other admins over there can do, Ill let them comment on that if they want to, as I know nothing about how the board is run. But I suspect that as despite as much common sense as those two guys have, Hyppo makes the calls and that is it. If I'm wrong about that, I'm wrong, and no hard...

Alien is a sci-fi film, isn't it? The setting is sci-fi but once the action starts it's just a horror movie, isn't it? Although I think Aliens is even better than Alien, the films went downhill fast after that I agree, I liked Aliens better. Whenever someone asks if there are any questions, I can't...

Ultimately, all things are known because you want to believe you know. -Zensunni koan Teg's force emerges from fold space over Gammu. Teg orders the decoys sent in. The decoys start exploding and Teg pretends to see a pattern in it in order to hide his ability to see the no-ships. Teg's force advan...

Historians exercise great power and some of them know it. They recreate the past, changing it to fit their own interpretations. Thus, they change the future as well. -Leto II, His Voice, from Dar-es-Balat Duncan, disguised as a Tleilaxu Master, is led by a guide through the Gammu wilderness. Later ...

You know the myth of the Great Spice Hoard? Yes, I know about that story, too. A majordomo brought it to me one day to amuse me. The story says there is a hoard of melange, a gigantic hoard, big as a great mountain. The hoard is concealed in the depths of a distant planet. It is not Arrakis, that p...

Because of the one-pointed Time awareness in which the conventional mind remains immersed, humans tend to think of everything in a sequential, word-oriented framework. This mental trap produces very short-term concepts of effectiveness and consequences, a condition of constant, unplanned response t...

Book Three THE PROPHET No woman, no man, no child ever was deeply intimate with my father. The closest anyone ever came to casual camaraderie with the Padishah Emperor was the relationship offered by Count Hasimir Fenring, a companion from childhood. The measure of Count Fenring's friendship may be...

Making workable choices occurs in a crucible of informative mistakes. Thus Intelligence accepts fallibility. And when absolute (infallible) choices are not known, Intelligence takes chances with limited data in an arena where mistakes are not only possible but also necessary. -Darwi Odrade It to ei...

The pattern of monarchies and similar systems has a message of value for all political forms. My memories assure me that governments of any kind could profit from this message. Governments can be useful to the governed only so long as inherent tendencies toward tyranny are restrained. Monarchies ha...

No sweeteners will cloak some forms of bitterness. If it tastes bitter, spit it out. That's what our earliest ancestors did. -The Coda Murbella awakes in the middle of the night from a nightmare. Words with fangs and tentacles are chasing her. Duncan wakes up an tries to comfort her. She had told B...

Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty. -The Coda The machinery in the Jews' hideout has broken down. The Rabbi believes it is because their door was locked durring Passover. Rebecca tells him his worrying doesn't help Joshua fix it. He regrets asking...

When are the witches to be trusted? Never! The dark side of the magic universe belongs to the Bene Gesserit and we must reject them. -Tylwyth Waff, Master of Masters The common room of the no-ship is packed with the most Bene Gesserits ever before assembled for Odrade's convocation. After a brief i...

Our household god is this thing we carry forward generation after generation: our message for humankind if it matures. The closest thing we have to a household goddess is a failed Reverend Mother -- Chenoeh there in her niche. -Darwi Odrade Duncan retreats into his mentat abilities. He spends as mu...

Religion must be accepted as a source of energy. It can be directed for our purposes, but only within limits that experience reveals. Here is the secret meaning of Free Will. -Missionaria Protectiva, Primary Teaching It is the day of Murbella's Agony, due to a mistake in weather control, it is clou...

Ish yara al-ahdab hadbat-you. (A hunchback does not see his own hunch. -- Folk Saying.) Bene Gesserit Commentary: The hunch may be seen with the aid of mirrors but mirrors may show the whole being. -The Bashar Teg Odrade goes to a cafeteria reserved for Reverend Mothers and is soon joined by Bellon...

Spend energies on those who make you strong. Energy spent on weaklings drags you to doom. (HM rule) Bene Gesserit Commentary: Who judges? -The Dortujla Record On the day of Dortjula's return, Odrade is having a bad day. A weapons conference with Teg and Idaho is indecisive, Murbella is stuck in a p...

We witness a passing phase of eternity. Important things happen but some people never notice. Accidents intervene. You are not present at episodes. You depend on reports. And people shutter their minds. What good are reports? History in a news account? Preselected at an editorial conference, digest...

We walk a delicate line, perpetuating Atreides (Siona) genes in our population because that hides us from prescience. We carry the Kwisatz Haderach in that bag! Willfulness created Muad'Dib. Prophets make predictions come true! Will we ever again dare ignore our Tao sense and cater to a culture tha...

Enter no conflict against fanatics unless you can defuse them. Oppose a religion with another religion only if your proofs (miracles) are irrefutable or if you can mesh in a way that the fanatics accept you as god-inspired. This has long been the barrier to science assuming a mantle of divine revel...

Give me the judgment of balanced minds in preference to laws every time. Codes and manuals create patterned behavior. All patterned behavior tends to go unquestioned, gathering destructive momentum. -Darwi Odrade Odrade and her entourage are continuing their inspection tour from Eldio after breakfa...

Humans are born with a susceptibility to that most persistent and debilitating disease of intellect: self-deception. The best of all possible worlds and the worst get their dramatic coloration from it. As nearly as we can determine, there is no natural immunity. Constant alertness is required. -The...

Uproot your questions from their ground and the dangling roots will be seen. More questions! -Mentat Zensufi Dama likes the Spider Queen title the witches have hung on her. She sits in her new control tower on junction feeling secure. She can almost imagine that she wasn't chased from Dur by futars...

The best art imitates life in a compelling way. If it imitates a dream, it must be a dream of life. Otherwise, there is no place where we can connect. Our plugs don't fit. -Darwi Odrade As they travel South in a light, fifteen-person car towards the desert, Odrade is disturbed by the changes since ...

I wouldn't care about making money from it, though I wouldn't turn it down.

Published Dune Scholar sure does have a nice ring to it.

I'm just hoping to finish the chapter reviews of the six Dune books. After that I don't know. I want to go back and post a few good questions about each, which would mean reading them again, scanning them at least. I think something else would be a nice change of pace. I was hoping you were going t...

I'm just hoping to finish the chapter reviews of the six Dune books. After that I don't know. I want to go back and post a few good questions about each, which would mean reading them again, scanning them at least. I think something else would be a nice change of pace. I was hoping you were going t...

I'm just hoping to finish the chapter reviews of the six Dune books. After that I don't know. I want to go back and post a few good questions about each, which would mean reading them again, scanning them at least. I think something else would be a nice change of pace.

A major concept guides the Missionaria Protectiva: Purposeful instruction of the masses. This is firmly seated in our belief that the aim of argument should be to change the nature of truth. In such matters, we prefer the use of power rather than force. -The Coda To Duncan, life on the no-ship had ...

Time does not count itself. You have only to look at a circle and this is apparent. -Leto II (The Tyrant) The Rabbi is in despair at their situation, hiding in a no-room under the farm's ash pit, from the Honored Matres. Rebbeca decides that her duty will be to keep away the boredom. Her Lampadas h...

Major flaws in government arise from a fear of making radical internal changes even though a need is clearly seen. -Darwi Odrade Odrade is going through her daily morning melange dose. She's one of those for whom taking the spice is painfull. Stregi comes in to change the desert map and Odrade asks...

Ready comprehension is often a knee-jerk response and the most dangerous form of understanding. It blinks an opaque screen over your ability to learn. The judgmental precedents of law function that way, littering your path with dead ends. Be warned. Understand nothing. All comprehension is temporar...

To know a thing well, know its limits. Only when pushed beyond its tolerances will true nature be seen. (The Amtal Rule) Do not depend only on theory if your life is at stake. (Bene Gesserit Commentary) Duncan stands with the ghola-Teg on the no-ship practice floor thinking of how he must restore T...

Some never participate. Life happens to them. They get by on little more than dumb persistence and resist with anger or violence all things that might lift them out of resentment-filled illusions of security. -Alma Mavis Taraza All day long Odrade has been going from comeye recordings of Scytale to...

Soap opera

All states are abstractions. -Octun Politicus, BG Archives Day seventeen of Lucilla's interrogation by Great Honored Matre. The caged futar enters first. Lucilla tries to talk the futar into killing Dama but learns that it requires a kill order from a handler. Besides that, the futar says Dama is p...

They say Mother Superior can disregard nothing -- a meaningless aphorism until you grasp its other significance: I am the servant of all my Sisters. They watch their servant with critical eyes. I cannot spend too much time on generalities nor on trivia. Mother Superior must display insightful actio...

We do not teach history; we recreate the experience. We follow the chain of consequences -- the tracks of the beast in its forest. Look behind our words and you see the broad sweep of social behavior that no historian has ever touched. -Bene Gesserit Panoplia Propheticus Scytale is whistling, pacin...

Laws to suppress tend to strengthen what they would prohibit. This is the fine point on which all the legal professions of history have based their job security. -Bene Gesserit Coda Odrade is prowling Chapterhouse, looking for slackness, with Bellonda and Tamalane. They contemplate their scattering...

Religion (emulation of adults by the child) encysts past mythologies: guesses, hidden assumptions of trust in the universe, pronouncements made in search of personal power, all mingled with shreds of enlightenment. And always an unspoken commandment: Thou shalt not question! We break that commandme...

Many things we do naturally become difficult only when we try to make them intellectual subjects. It is possible to know so much about a subject that you become totally ignorant. -Mentat Text Two (dicto) Odrade goes to dine with the acolytes and their proctors. She does this periodically to judge t...

Education is no substitute for intelligence. That elusive quality is defined only in part by puzzle-solving ability. It is in the creation of new puzzles reflecting what your senses report that you round out the definition. -Mentat Text One (decto) Reverend Mother Lucilla is brought before Great Ho...

Corruption wears infinite disguises. -Tleilaxu Thu-zen Scytale is wandering around in his portion of the no-ship. He's come to the conclusion that the Bene Gesserit do not really share the Great Belief. He thinks all of this is a test of his faith. He thinks of the nullentropy tube implanted in his...

The writing of history is largely a process of diversion. Most historical accounts distract attention from the secret influences behind great events. -The Bashar Teg Duncan is exploring his no-ship prison. He thinks of the Honored Matres hunting him, expecially after he's been training men in the s...

All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted. -Missionaria Protectiva, Text QIV...

Confine yourself to observing and you always miss the point of your own life. The object can be stated this way: Live the best life you can. Life is a game whose rules you learn if you leap into it and play it to the hilt. Otherwise, you are caught off balance, continually surprised by the shifting...

You cannot manipulate a marionette with only one string. -The Zensunni Whip Reverend Mother Sheeana is in her Desert Watch Station workroom frustratingly attempting to create a piece of artwork with no success. She is affraid the worms may never come and the Missionaria's plans for her. Sheeana has...

You cannot know history unless you know how leaders move with its currents. Every leader requires outsiders to perpetuate his leadership. Examine my career: I was leader and outsider. Do not assume I merely created a Church- State. That was my function as leader and I copied historical models. Barb...

We tend to become like the worst in those we oppose. -Bene Gesserit Coda As Odrade sits in her workroom, she experiences images of sea child, her life before the Bene Gesserit. This is where she gets her sense of sanity, the ability to balance in strange seas, to maintain her deepest self. She sens...

Rules build up fortifications behind which small minds create satrapies. A perilous state of affairs in the best of times, disastrous during crises. -Bene Gesserit Coda Logno, senior aid to the Great Honored Matre, Dama, is sommoned to Dama's darkened bedchamber where she's having sex with a Futar....

Those who would repeat the past must control the teaching of history. -Bene Gesserit Coda Odrade and her council celebrate quietly atop central on the new of the birth of the first Bene Gesserit ghola, Miles Teg, whose memories they hope to restore to fight the Honored Matres. There were rumors fro...

There was a man who sat each day looking out through a narrow vertical opening where a single board had been removed from a tall wooden fence. Each day a wild ass of the desert passed outside the fence and across the narrow opening -- first the nose, then the head, the forelegs, the long brown back...

Survival of self, of species, and of environment, these are what drive humans. You can observe how the order of importance changes in a lifetime. What are the things of immediate concern at a given age? Weather? The state of the digestion? Does she (or he) really care? All of those various hungers ...

It is your fate, forgetfulness. All of the old lessons of life, you lose and gain and lose and gain again. -Leto II, the Voice of Dar-es-Balat Taraza has received Odrade's latest report from Rakis and entered it into archives. She debates going to Rakis herself. Should they make themselves missiona...

I remember friends from wars all but we forgot. All of them distilled into each wound we caught. Those wounds are all the painful places where we fought. Battles better left behind, ones we never sought. What is it that we spent and what was it we bought? -Songs of the Scattering Before the crucial...

All organized religions face a common problem, a tender spot through which we may enter and shift them to our designs: How do they distinguish hubris from revelation? -Missionaria Protectiva, the Inner Teachings Odrade and Waff, guarded by two Reverend Mothers are in the Bene Gesserit keep on Rakis...

Our fathers ate manna in the desert, In the burning place where whirlwinds came. Lord, save us from that horrible land! Save us, oh-h-h-h-h save us From that dry and thirsty land. -Songs of Gurney Halleck, Museum of Dar-es-Balat Teg, Lucilla and Duncan emerge from the no-room into the snowy night a...

This room reconstructs a bit of the desert of Dune. The sandcrawler directly in front of you dates from the Atreides times. Grouped around it, moving clockwise from your left, are a small harvester, a carryall, a primitive spice factory and the other support equipment. All are explained at each sta...

This is the awe-inspiring universe of magic: There are no atoms, only waves and motions all around. Here, you discard all belief in barriers to understanding. You put aside understanding itself. This universe cannot be seen, cannot be heard, cannot be detected in any way by fixed perceptions. It is...

We have long known that the objects of our palpable sense experiences can be influenced by choice -- both conscious choice and unconscious. This is a demonstrated fact that does not require that we believe some force within us reaches out and touches the universe. I address a pragmatic relationship...

By your belief in singularities, in granular absolutes, you deny movement, even the movement of evolution! While you cause a granular universe to persist in your awareness, you are blind to movement. When things change, your absolute universe vanishes, no longer accessible to your self-limiting per...

There was this drylander who was asked which was more important, a literjon of water or a vast pool of water? The drylander thought a moment and then said: "The literjon is more important. No single person could own a great pool of water. But a literjon you could hide under your cloak and run ...

People always want something more than immediate joy or that deeper sense called happiness. This is one of the secrets by which we shape the fulfillment of our designs. The something more assumes amplified power with people who cannot give it a name or who (most often the case) do not even suspect ...

The long table on the right is set for a banquet of roast desert hare in sauce cepeda. The other dishes, clockwise to the right from the far end of the table, are aplomage sirian, chukka under glass, coffee with melange (note the hawk crest of the Atreides on the urn), pot-a-oie and, in the Balut c...

Bureaucracy destroys initiative. There is little that bureaucrats hate more than innovation, especially innovation that produces better results than the old routines. Improvements always make those at the top of the heap look inept. Who enjoys appearing inept? -A Guide to Trial and Error in Governm...

Quite naturally, holders of power wish to suppress wild research. Unrestricted questing after knowledge has a long history of producing unwanted competition. The powerful want a "safe line of investigations," which will develop only those products and ideas that can be controlled and, mos...

Liberty and Freedom are complex concepts. They go back to religious ideas of Free Will and are related to the Ruler Mystique implicit in absolute monarchs. Without absolute monarchs patterned after the Old Gods and ruling by the grace of a belief in religious indulgence, Liberty and Freedom would n...

What social inheritances went outward with the Scattering? We know those times intimately. We know both the mental and physical settings. The Lost Ones took with them a consciousness confined mostly to manpower and hardware. There was a desperate need for room to expand driven by the myth of Freedo...

The significant fact is this: No Bene Tleilax female has ever been seen away from the protection of their core planets. (Face Dancer mules who simulate females do not count in this analysis. They cannot be breeders.) The Tleilaxu sequester their females to keep them from our hands. This is our prim...

Nothing surpasses the complexity of the human mind. -Leto II: Dar-es-Balat Records Reverend Mother Lucilla is watching from the parapet as Duncan practices self-directed Bene Gesserit eight-fold combat techniques in the courtyard below. She is amazed at his Prana-Bindu developement. She contemplate...

The basic rule is this: Never support weakness; always support strength. -The Bene Gesserit Coda Odrade has set up a command center in Sheeana's quarters after they broke the attack a few hours before. Odrade notices that the room has an irregular shape. It had been constructed to carry sounds thro...

Law always chooses sides on the basis of enforcement power. Morality and legal niceties have little to do with it when the real question is: Who has the clout? -Bene Gesserit Council Proceedings: Archives #XOX232 Immediately after Taraza left, Teg got to work changing the security measures around t...

Life cannot find reasons to sustain it, cannot be a source of decent mutual regard, unless each of us resolves to breathe such qualities into it. -Chenoeh: "Conversations with Leto II" Stiros has been irritating High Priest Tuek. Stiros is probably too old to ever hope to be high priest b...

At the quantum level our universe can be seen as an indeterminate place, predictable in a statistical way only when you employ large enough numbers. Between that universe and a relatively predictable one where the passage of a single planet can be timed to a picosecond, other forces come into play....

The failure of CHOAM? Quite simple: They ignore the fact that larger commercial powers wait at the edges of their activities, powers that could swallow them the way a slig swallows garbage. This is the true threat of the Scattering -- to them and to us all. -Bene Gesserit Council notes, Archives #S...

The outer surface of a balloon is always larger than the center of the damned thing! That's the whole point of the Scattering! -Bene Gesserit response to an Ixian suggestion that new investigative probes be sent out among the Lost Ones Taraza has ordered Teg up to a Guild ship orbiting Gammu and to...

The Tleilaxu secret must be in their sperm. Our tests prove that their sperm does not carry forward in a straight genetic fashion. Gaps occur. Every Tleilaxu we have examined has hidden his inner self from us. They are naturally immune to an Ixian Probe! Secrecy at the deepest levels, that is their...

In my estimation, more misery has been created by reformers than by any other force in human history. Show me someone who says "Something must be done!" and I will show you a head full of vicious intentions that have no other outlet. What we must strive for always! is to find the natural ...

Technology, in common with many other activities, tends toward avoidance of risks by investors. Uncertainty is ruled out if possible. Capital investment follows this rule, since people generally prefer the predictable. Few recognize how destructive this can be, how it imposes severe limits on varia...

Ten thousand years since Leto II began his metamorphosis from human into the sandworm of Rakis and historians still argue over his motives. Was he driven by the desire for long life? He lived more than ten times the normal span of three hundred SY, but consider the price he paid. Was it the lure of...

The trouble with some kinds of warfare (and be certain the Tyrant knew this, because it is implicit in his lesson) is that they destroy all moral decency in susceptible types. Warfare of these kinds will dump the destroyed survivors back into an innocent population that is incapable of even imagini...

Some days it's melange; some days it's bitter dirt. -Rakian Aphorism Sheeana is laying atop a dune waiting for a worm to come. She's been with the Rakian priests for three years now, since near her eigth birthday when worms ate her village and took her to the Priests. The worms will not eat her and...

Has not religion claimed a patent on creation for all of these millennia? -The Tleilaxu Question, from Muad'dib Speaks Tylwyth Waff, the Bene Tleilax Master of Masters is overlooking the morning stillness of the capitol city of Bandalong. He thinks about the BT plan for ascendancy, the millenia of ...

Humans live best when each has his place to stand, when each knows where he belongs in the scheme of things and what he may achieve. Destroy the place and you destroy the person. -Bene Gesserit Teaching Miles Teg is regretting coming out of retirement to be weapons master to a child Duncan Idaho gh...

The existence of no-ships raises the possibility of destroying entire planets without retaliation. A large object, asteroid or equivalent, may be sent against the planet. Or the people can be set against each other by sexual subversion, and then can be armed to destroy themselves. These Honored Mat...

Explosions are also compressions of time. Observable changes in the natural universe all are explosive to some degree and from some point of view; otherwise you would not notice them. Smooth Continuity of change, if slowed sufficiently, goes without notice by observers whose time/attention span is ...

Most discipline is hidden discipline, designed not to liberate but to limit. Do not ask Why? Be cautious with How? Why? leads inexorably to paradox. How? traps you in a universe of cause and effect. Both deny the infinite. -The Apocrypha of Arrakis Reverend Mothers Schwangyu and Lucilla are on a pa...

Prologue Frank Herbert April 1984 When I was writing Dune . . . there was no room in my mind for concerns about the book's success or failure. I was concerned only with the writing. Six years of research had preceded the day I sat down to put the story together, and the interweaving of the many plo...

Godgirl wrote:
SandChigger wrote:Wanna try one of these here spice cigs?
puff puff give, baby.

...to the left.

Omphalos wrote:BTW, excellent answer to Simon and arnoldo about the kami of turds, and whatnot.

Best CL post, ever.

When I first saw your username I thought it was a racial slur against desert dwelling people of mixed Arab-Asian decent.

Godgirl wrote:Anyone want to explain their pics?

KJA & BH have been nicknamed Pinky & The Brian because of their plan to take over the Duniverse.

Thus, Pinky and the Brain.

Omphalos wrote:Is that the hottie that played Alia in the Lynch movie? Hubba Hubba!

Alicia Witt, yeah.

Godgirl wrote:Hello everyone!!

Hi Alia!

This from the guy who bought how many new Dune books, hoping they would get better? ;) At least I didn't read Snadworms. :lol: I didn't see any evidence of it, but then I was just peeking and you're there more....so I'll defer to your judgement for the moment. He's odd. I think he's a prime example...

SandChigger wrote:DN BBS refugee? Or from somewhere else

Worm's. I think he was a member at DoD too, right?

I think maybe he's starting to come to his senses... a little.

I won't be spending any money on them, I wouldn't read it if it was free. I will read it if someone pays me. Their title clearly indicates a lack of understanding FH's themes, especially since they're about Paul, Jessica and Irulan. They had heroic moments but I don't really think of them as heroes,...

They'd ask questions like "where was Paul born" (I think that was one of my fist in the DN trivia topic) and refer to FH's notes.

Id really like to see someone go to a talk at a convention and try to quiz him on his Dune knowledge. Im sure that he is too smart to allow himself to be caught like that, and its generally regarded to be in bad taste to try that sort of stunt at a con (I think), but Id still love to see someone li...

The prophet is not diverted by illusions of past, present and future. The fixity of language determines such linear distinctions. Prophets hold a key to the lock in a language. The mechanical image remains only an image to them. This is not a mechanical universe. The linear progression of events is...

"Make no heroes," my father said. -The voice of Ghanima, From the Oral History Leto can tell be the way Duncan marches across the room to him that he as undergone a profound change, the "since syndrome" he calls is. What has happened since he died? Why do they want me? Once it s...

Let there be no doubt that I am the assemblage of our ancestors, the arena in which they exercise my moments. They are my cells and I am their body. This is the favrashi of which I speak, the soul, the collective unconscious, the source of archetypes, the repository of all trauma and joy. I am the ...

If you know all of your ancestors, you were a personal witness to the events which created the myths and religions of our past. Recognizing this, you must think of me as a myth-maker. -The Stolen Journals The Ixian embassy comes under attack by explosives from Face Dancers and a rebel splinter grou...

Groups tend to condition their surroundings for group survival. When they deviate from this it may be taken as a sign of group sickness. There are many telltale symptoms. I watch the sharing of food. This is a form of communication, an inescapable sign of mutual aid which also contains a deadly sig...

The singular multiplicity of this universe draws my deepest attention. It is a thing of ultimate beauty. -The Stolen Journals Moneo delivers Hwi only an hour after Leto summoned her, she notices he's obviously disturbed. He tells her that Leto is different to every person and he wonders what part t...

I have isolated the city-experience within me and have examined it closely. The idea of a city fascinates me. The formation of a biological community without a functioning, supportive social community leads to havoc. Whole worlds have become single biological communities without an interrelated soc...

I am both father and mother to my people. I have known the ecstasy of birth and the ecstasy of death and I know the patterns that you must team. Have I not wandered intoxicated through the universe of shapes? Yes! I have seen you outlined in light. That universe which you say you see and feel, that...

The problem of leadership is inevitably: Who will play God? -Muad'Dib. From the Oral History Hwi is summoned before Leto in the depths of Onn. A Fish Speaker and Reverend Mother Anteac came to her at the Ixian embassy. She has sent his message to Ix concerning her birth. He asks what secrets they w...

As each day passes, you become increasingly unreal, more alien and remote from what I find myself to be on that new day. I am the only reality and, as you differ from me, you lose reality. The more curious I become, the less curious are those who worship me. Religion suppresses curiosity. What I do...

When I set out to lead humankind along my Golden Path, I promised them a lesson their bones would remember. I know a profound pattern which humans deny with their words even while their actions affirm it. They say they seek security and quiet, the condition they call peace. Even as they speak. they...

The trance-state of prophecy is like no other visionary experience. It is not a retreat from the raw exposure of the senses (as are many trance-states) but an immersion in a multitude of new movements. Things moue. It is an ultimate pragmatism in the midst of Infinity, a demanding consciousness whe...

Safaris through ancestral memories teach me many things. The patterns, ahhh, the patterns Liberal bigots are the ones who trouble me most. I distrust the extremes. Scratch a conservative and you find someone who prefers the past over any future. Scratch a liberal and find a closet aristocrat. It's ...

From that welter of memories which I can tap at will, patterns emerge. They are like another language which I see so clearly The social-alarm signals which put societies into the postures of defense attack are like shouted words to me. As a people. you react against threats to innocence and the per...

"Another Festival so soon?" the Lord Leto asked. "It has been ten years," the majordomo said. Do you think by this exchange that the Lord Leto betrays an ignorance of time's passage? -The Oral History Durring the private audience prior to the Festival, Leto spends more than the ...

I am beginning to hate water. The sandtrout skin which impels my metamorphosis has learned the sensitivities of the worm. Moneo and many of my guards know my aversion, Only Moneo suspects the truth, that this marks an important waypoint. I can feel my ending in it, not soon as Moneo measures time, ...

Our ancestor, Assur-nasir-apli, who was known as the cruelest of the cruel, seized the throne by slaying his own father and starting the reign of the sword. His conquests included the Ururnia Lake region. which led him to Commagene and Khabur. His son received tribute from the Shuites, from Tyre, S...

Over here sand blows; over there sand blows. Over there a rich man waits; over here I wait. -The Voice of Shai-Hulud, From the Oral History This chapter is an account of a conversation between Sister Chenoeh and Leto. She hid this report on Leto's orders and threat that he would bring his rage upon...

Unceasing warfare gives rise to its own social conditions which have been similar in all epochs. People enter a permanent state of alertness to ward off attacks. You seethe absolute rule of the autocrat. All new things become dangerous frontier districts-new planets, new economic areas to exploit, ...

The female sense of sharing originated as familial sharing-care of the young, the gathering and preparation of food, sharing joys, love and sorrows. Funeral lamentation originated with women. Religion began as a female monopoly, wrested from them only after its social power became too dominant. Wom...

What is the most profound difference between us, between you and me? You already know it. It's these ancestral memories. Mine come at me in the full glare of awareness. Yours work from your blind side. Some call it instinct or fate. The memories apply their leverages to each of us-on what we think ...

I know the evil of my ancestors because I am those people. The balance is delicate in the extreme. I know that few of you who read my words have ever thought about your ancestors this way. It has not occurred to you that your ancestors were survivors and that the survival itself sometimes involved ...

The Duncans always think it odd that I choose women for combat forces, but my Fish Speakers are a temporary army in every sense. While they can be violent and vicious, women are profoundly different from men in their dedication to battle. The cradle of genesis ultimately predisposes them to behavio...

How sad it was that the Shadout of old had become today's Fish Speaker. And a true crysknife had been used to bind a servant more strongly to her master. He knew that some thought his Fish Speakers were really priestesses. -Leto's answer to the Bene Gesserit. Nayla finally makes it up the tower to ...

Odd as it may seem, great struggles such as the one you can see emerging from my journals are not always visible to the participants. Much depends on what people dream in the secrecy of their hearts. I have always been as concerned with the shaping of dreams as with the shaping of actions. Between ...

Your Lord knows very well what is in your heart. Your soul suffices this day as a reckoner against you. I need no witnesses. You do not listen to your soul, but listen instead to your anger and your rage. -Lord Leto to a Penitent, From the Oral History This chapter is an assessment of the state of ...

You must remember that I have at my internal demand every expertise known to our history. This is the fund of energy I draw upon when I address the mentality of war. If you have not heard the moaning cries of the wounded and the dying, you do not know about war. I have heard those cries in such num...

Some say I have no conscience. How false they are, even to themselves. I am the only conscience which has ever existed. As wine retains the perfume of its cask, I retain the essence of my most ancient genesis, and that is the seed of conscience. That is what makes me holy. I am God because I am the...

I tell you this in the hope that it will help you understand why I do as I do in the full knowledge that great forces accumulate in my Empire with but one wish, the wish to destroy me. You who read these words may know full well what actually happened, but I doubt that you understand it. -The Stole...

You, the first person to encounter my chronicles for at least four thousand years, beware. Do not feel honored by your primacy in reading the revelations of my Ixian storehouse. You will find much pain in it. Other than the few glimpses required to assure me that the Golden Path continued. I never ...

Sometimes I indulge myself in safaris which no other being may take. I strike inward along the axis of my memories. Like a schoolchild reporting on a vacation trip, I take up my subject. Let it be . . . female intellectuals! I course backward into the ocean which is my ancestors. I am a great winge...

Oh, the landscapes I have seen! And the people! The far wanderings of the Fremen and all the rest of it. Even back through the myths to Terra. Oh, the lessons in astronomy and intrigue, the migrations, the disheveled flights, the leg aching and lung-aching runs through so many nights on all of thos...

I am the most ardent people-watcher who ever lived. I watch them inside me and outside. Past and present can mingle with odd impositions in me. And as the metamorphosis continues in my flesh wonderful things happen to my senses. It's as though I sensed everything in close-up. I have extremely acute...

I WAS born Leto Atreides II more than three thousand standard years ago, measuring from the moment when I cause these words to be printed. My father was Paul Muad'Dib. My mother was his Fremen consort, Chani. My maternal grandmother was Faroula, a noted herbalist among the Fremen. My paternal grand...

This morning I was born in a yurt at the edge of a horse-plain in a land of a planet which no longer exists. Tomorrow I will be born someone else in another place. I have not yet chosen. This morning, though-ahhh, this life! When my eyes had learned to focus, I looked out at sunshine on trampled gr...

This chapter set far in the future of the events that take place in the rest of the book and is an excerpt from a speach given by the archeologist who discored Dar-es-balat, Leto II's invisible storehouse for his Journals. We are treated to a sample from Leto's Journals: I ASSURE you that I am the b...

Intelligence and common sense have NOTHING to do with each other.

If you believe certain words, you believe their hidden arguments. When you believe something is right or wrong, true or false, you believe the assumptions in the words which express the arguments. Such assumptions are often full of holes, but remain most precious to the convinced. -The Open-Ended P...

We can still remember the golden days before Heisenberg, who showed humans the walls enclosing our predestined arguments. The lives within me find this amusing. Knowledge, you see, has no uses without purpose, but purpose is what builds enclosing walls. -Leto Atreides II, His Voice Alia chastises h...

Only in the realm of mathematics can you understand Muad'Dib's precise view of the future. Thus: first, we postulate any number of point-dimensions in space. (This is the classic n-fold extended aggregate of n dimensions.) With this framework, Time as commonly understood becomes an aggregate of one...

The one-eyed view of our universe says you must not look far afield for problems. Such problems may never arrive. Instead, tend to the wolf within your fences. The packs ranging outside may not even exist. -The Azhar Book; Shamra I:4 Duncan enters Jessica's sitting room. She asks why he is here and...

Above all else, the mentat must be a generalist, not a specialist. It is wise to have decisions of great moment monitored by generalists. Experts and specialists lead you quickly into chaos. They are a source of useless nit picking, the ferocious quibble over a comma. The mentat-generalist, on the ...

I saw his blood and a piece of his robe which had been ripped by sharp claws. His sister reports vividly of the tigers, the sureness of their attack. We have questioned one of the plotters, and others are dead or in custody. Everything points to a Corrino plot. A Truthsayer has attested to this tes...

The password was given to me by a man who died in the dungeons of Arrakeen. You see, that is where I got this ring in the shape of a tortoise. It was in the suk outside the city where I was hidden by the rebels. The password? Oh, that has been changed many times since then. It was "Persistence...

In all major socializing forces you will find an underlying movement to gain and maintain power through the use of words. From witch doctor to priest to bureaucrat it is all the same. A governed populace must be conditioned to accept power-words as actual things, to confuse the symbolized system wi...

In this age when the means of human transport include devices which can span the deeps of space in transtime, and other devices which can carry men swiftly over virtually impassable planetary surfaces, it seems odd to think of attempting long journeys afoot. Yet this remains a primary means of trav...

Governments, if they endure, always tend increasingly toward aristocratic forms. No government in history has been known to evade this pattern. And as the aristocracy develops, government tends more and more to act exclusively in the interests of the ruling class -- whether that class be hereditary...

It is said of Muad'Dib that once when he saw a weed trying to grow between two rocks, he moved one of the rocks. Later, when the weed was seen to be flourishing, he covered it with the remaining rock. "That was its fate," he explained. -The Commentaries As Ghani and Leto dive into the sli...

The universe is just there; that's the only way a Fedaykin can view it and remain the master of his senses. The universe neither threatens nor promises. It holds things beyond our sway: the fall of a meteor, the eruption of a spiceblow, growing old and dying. These are the realities of this univers...

You Bene Gesserit call your activity of the Panoplia Prophetica a "Science of Religion." Very well. I, a seeker after another kind of scientist, find this an appropriate definition. You do, indeed, build your own myths, but so do all societies. You I must warn, however. You are behaving a...

When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles. -Words of an ancient philosopher (Attributed by Harq al-Ada to one Louis Veuillot) Leto and Ghani sneak ou...

This is the fallacy of power: ultimately it is effective only in an absolute, a limited universe. But the basic lesson of our relativistic universe is that things change. Any power must always meet a greater power. Paul Muad'Dib taught this lesson to the Sardaukar on the Plains of Arrakeen. His des...

Good government never depends upon laws, but upon the personal qualities of those who govern. The machinery of government is always subordinate to the will of those who administer that machinery. The most important element of government, therefore, is the method of choosing leaders. -Law and Govern...

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