Goodbye to Freak
Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 4:37 pm
Seraphan
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:14 pm Post subject: Freakzilla, the man who undestands Dune
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Freakzilla's password has been changed in what i can only call a childish act; either ban him or admit him Byron, be a man.
Freak as always been a nice guy and his only crimes were to express his opinions. He has always helped me out whenever i had doubts about the plot in the books and he's a person with a good sence of humor.
Thruth is that without him, this forum is empty of worth and interest.
Yes i am a friend of Freakzilla as well as Omphalos, SandChigger and Lisan Al-Gaib; people that stood up to this den of censorship and marketing scams.
Here's to you my friends. Adios.
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DrunkenDuncan
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject: Re: Freakzilla, the man who undestands Dune
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Seraphan wrote:
Freakzilla's password has been changed in what i can only call a childish act; either ban him or admit him Byron, be a man.
Freak as always been a nice guy and his only crimes were to express his opinions. He has always helped me out whenever i had doubts about the plot in the books and he's a person with a good sence of humor.
Thruth is that without him, this forum is empty of worth and interest.
Yes i am a friend of Freakzilla as well as Omphalos, SandChigger and Lisan Al-Gaib; people that stood up to this den of censorship and marketing scams.
Here's to you my friends. Adios.
Yeah, I'll miss Freak. I can't even imagine what he did to get banned. He seemed like the civil type. Hopefully Byron forgives him.
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:27 pm Post subject:
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He has always been a man of polite dissent. Can't recall a time he's been rude to me ever, and I know he hates my point of view in regards to the old "classics vs. new" argument. Wish I could say I've kept my cool as constantly as he has.
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:33 pm Post subject:
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Simon wrote:
He has always been a man of polite dissent. Can't recall a time he's been rude to me ever, and I know he hates my point of view in regards to the old "classics vs. new" argument. Wish I could say I've kept my cool as constantly as he has.
Yeah! If anybody should be banned, it's you!
Ban Simon and bring back Freak, Byron!
Kidding, of course.
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject:
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WTF?
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:09 am Post subject:
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uhhhhh ohhhhh...
i sense retribution on its way here....
...egrup, dessim eb liww uoy
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WOW! does anyone else in this forum like dune?
Hyppo
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:50 am Post subject:
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I see not ALL the children are back in school...
Dare I speculate that Freakzilla may have been SUSPENDED, which is not the same thing as PERMABANNED?
(just guessing; I certainly am not privy to whatever Byron's Admin decisions may be)
Either way, posting that graphic, in my opinion, is a big "Nyah, nyah, I dare you!" sign, which is quite childish and unworthy of the person Freakzilla USED to be when I first encountered him at Arrakeen a few years ago.
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 1:51 am Post subject:
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The powers that be don't appreciate honesty. Those who don't slurp the new books aren't welcome here. Those that are honest about what they think about the new books are even less welcome.
It was only natural that Byron would resort to mass bannings after witnessing his assault on any and all posts - whether polite or not - which voiced issues with the new authors and their books. Or the long history of allowing the preeqmatures to run amock on FH fans while wielding a heavy ban-hammer against said FH enthusiasts.
Maybe Byron will be happier down the line when this board is full of morons who have never really read any of Frank's books. I am guessing if he is the reader and author he claims to be he'll regret neutering this forum at some point down the line.
Either way, I can't respect someone promoting this:
And it is even sadder that it is someone that it is his own flesh and blood.
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:34 am Post subject:
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Hey Hyp, why don't you shut the f*ck up. Your skill in pointing out the obvious is beyond words. If you ever said anything of substance my f*cking head would explode.
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Fondak
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:51 am Post subject:
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Regardless of the banned or "banned" status of Freak it still results in one-sided censorship of someone who is the most honorable and fair of all the "OH" community. I'm sure the upcoming release of PoD has nothing to do with the house-cleaning.
I'M AMPOLIROS, and I approve of this civil disobedience.
Bear of Dune says hi also.
<It's okay, I'm going back in my cave now>
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Hyppo
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:20 am Post subject:
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Crysknife wrote:
Hey Hyp, why don't you shut the f*ck up. Your skill in pointing out the obvious is beyond words. If you ever said anything of substance my f*cking head would explode.
Crysknife, I save my best "words of substance" for people I deem capable of understanding and appreciating them. Sadly, these days such posts don't make it on Dune forums at all -- because of all this stupid feuding. Why should I post my best for people who will just twist them, mock them, and lie about them anyway?
You know damn well Freakzilla has been trying to get banned from here. His reasons are childish. Why Byron hasn't obliged is not something I know or understand... in his shoes, I would have obliged him long ago, as well as any others.
HEARD FROM BARON lately? Didn't think so...
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:47 am Post subject:
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Uh, you obliged everybody long ago. Not that any of us care anymore.
And what the f*ck is "interstanding"? I really don't need to know about your last sexual encounters with your b*tch slappin' boyfriend ten years ago.
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Hyppo
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:13 am Post subject:
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Thank you for pointing out my typos. I have fixed them.
Leave my ex out of this. The various sexual innuendoes you and others post here and on the other forums are quite tiresome, unfunny, and say much more about your lack of character than any traits of mine.
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:18 am Post subject:
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They are so funny, b*tch. and if you don't think so, you can take YOUR lack of character(which is legendary by the way) and shove it up your a$$. It would be hard to miss it.
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:00 am Post subject:
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I have no sympathy for Freakzilla. Poor Arnoldo was crucified at Jacurutu. I find most of OHer's are vicious and nasty. They are vultures waiting to tear anybody who likes KJA + BH's books to pieces.
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:02 am Post subject:
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You just proved my point, Crysknife. Each time I read another few days' worth of what passes for "discussion" at T(A)U and JACURUTU I see you've all lost another couple of tens of not only IQ points, but also EQ and MQ.
Admit it -- you're all mentally about 10 years old, thinking you're terribly funny and sophisticated with the innuendoes and bathroom humor, slagging people you hate just because they did their jobs to the best of their ability and it happened to not turn out that in doing so they let you continue your childish behavior.
Well, you're not as funny as you think. People are noticing and turning away in disgust.
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:48 am Post subject:
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This is quite the enjoyable topic. May I raise the option to not delete it Byron. This topic shows in great detail what the HLP has accomplished over the years.
lundse2
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:49 pm Post subject:
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You just proved my point, Crysknife. Each time I read another few days' worth of what passes for "discussion" at T(A)U and JACURUTU I see you've all lost another couple of tens of not only IQ points, but also EQ and MQ.
Admit it -- you're all mentally about 10 years old, thinking you're terribly funny and sophisticated with the innuendoes and bathroom humor, slagging people you hate just because they did their jobs to the best of their ability and it happened to not turn out that in doing so they let you continue your childish behavior.
Well, you're not as funny as you think. People are noticing and turning away in disgust.
I agree that there is a lot of KJA&BH bashing at Jacurutu. For reasons of civility, I cannot really discuss here the degree to which I agree with it - suffice to say of the people I have seen 'bash' KJA&BH, I have also seen most of them give lucid accounts of their grievances with same.
And some of it is, while offensive, pretty clever and fun
That said, I do not agree that everyone who indulges in silly humor and namecalling, must by necessity be childish and emotionally immature. The inability to criticise constructively without it is certainly a sign of immaturity - but while I have, eg. lots of intelligent things to say against Bush and his politics, I am not above ridiculing him or enjoying jokes on his behalf.
All in all, I find it much more interesting that noone answer us 'Orthodox Herbertians' when we make our points.
Noone has told me why we should suspect Alia's memory of being wrong, noone can tell me what new, interesting themes KJA are introducing or how his handling of Frank's ideas is well done.
I came to this forum, inviting a civil discussion on the KJA&BH books and canonicity. I did the same at Jacurutu at the same time, linking back between the two.
As far as I can see, my posts here have been deleted - discussion on the topic has degenerated to me asking basic questions such as the above or trying to get people's interpretation of FH quotes and what they told us about how he envisioned the Jihad. Those who believe the new books are (or can be) consistent with the originals simply fail to answer or comment.
On Jacurutu, there has been discussion on the matter and actual points made (yes, at one point someone pointed out an error on one of my critiques of the new books - we are discussing, not reiterating what we all agree on). I would _love_ for someone to step up and try to argue lucidly against these interpretations, but it just never happens.
Zeus slandered my here and on wikipedia last time I tried, and now I am being met by a wall of silence.
The name-calling goes both ways (remember the "T a l i f a n" comment and strawmanning of our arguments?) - and is ultimately uninteresting. What is interesting is the actual debate, let's try that!
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You just proved my point, Crysknife. Each time I read another few days' worth of what passes for "discussion" at T(A)U and JACURUTU I see you've all lost another couple of tens of not only IQ points, but also EQ and MQ.
Who can count all of the intelligent posts and discussions on the part of 'Orthodox Herbertians' which have been deleted here? Or forget the posts and discussions, how about the people behind them? Gone.
Instead of obsessing about Jacurutu and TAU, if you honestly care about quality discussion, why don't you direct your wrath towards Byron, who devours quality discussions whole, and leaves no sign of them in his wake?
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Admit it -- you're all mentally about 10 years old, thinking you're terribly funny and sophisticated with the innuendoes and bathroom humor, slagging people you hate just because they did their jobs to the best of their ability and it happened to not turn out that in doing so they let you continue your childish behavior.
Oh no, Hyppo is insulting our mental capacity, someone, quick, sound an alarm of some sort, preferrably a dramatic and obnoxious one.
Spare us all the epic braveheart speech, toots.
Perhaps some OHians do hate KJA and So-Frank. Personally, I take issue with their seeming hate of Frank Herbert. Generally, defecating on something/someone which/who is widely beloved and respected is frowned upon, but with the new authors/books it is embraced.
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Well, you're not as funny as you think. People are noticing and turning away in disgust.
What does humor have to do with anything?
And who are these "people" you speak of?
The only people I see being turned away are posters who have been here for years, who have stimulated activity and intelligent discussion, and who have been cast out for daring to acknowledge how ill equipped these authors are/have been to write about the Dune universe.
Their eight books prove this. A ninth isn't going to suddenly flip the switch on this. FH spent six books and twenty years creating a gem, and these hacks have tried their damndest to bury it.
I don't hate them.
But I do wonder why they hate Frank so much.
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 1:41 pm Post subject:
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I am also an OH, don't forget. I just happen to be one who is capable of interacting courteously with people whose opinions are on the opposite end of the spectrum (even defying plain logic when it's pointed out to them).
I don't like what the new authors have done in the stories, either. But I'm capable of saying so without slagging their ancestry, their bank accounts, their motivations, and speculating on other unsavory things for which there is not one shred of proof. I don't post vulgar pictures or graphics and then whine and wail if the HLP and/or the Admin of this forum is offended.
There is a right way to complain and a wrong way to complain. Considering all the bannings (and the accompanying celebrations at other forums), it doesn't seem as though the "martyr wannabes" have learned the difference.
I actually happen to fundamentally agree with most of the OH points made about the two different kinds of Dune books. I just don't find the rudest, most childish ways possible of saying so.
And I don't see what's so terrible about the "alternate universe history" solution. That's also the only way I'm able to derive any enjoyment whatsoever of the TV series "Enterprise" -- because of the egregious ways it violates decades-ago established Star Trek canon. And I've said so on Star Trek forums -- and lo, I've not been banned.
Much of life isn't about what you say -- it's how you say it.
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I am also an OH, don't forget. I just happen to be one who is capable of interacting courteously with people whose opinions are on the opposite end of the spectrum (even defying plain logic when it's pointed out to them).
I have rarely if ever seen a courteous post from you, and that goes especially for posts directed at OH.
Must be one of those self-hating types.
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I don't like what the new authors have done in the stories, either. But I'm capable of saying so without slagging their ancestry, their bank accounts, their motivations, and speculating on other unsavory things for which there is not one shred of proof. I don't post vulgar pictures or graphics and then whine and wail if the HLP and/or the Admin of this forum is offended.
Most of the people that have had their posts deleted weren't posting vulgar pictures or graphics, they had legitimate, intelligent points.
Who are you trying to convince with your oversimplifications? This thread isn't going to be here for posterity for the next round of preeks, and the rest of us know it's BS.
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There is a right way to complain and a wrong way to complain. Considering all the bannings (and the accompanying celebrations at other forums), it doesn't seem as though the "martyr wannabes" have learned the difference.
You can make comments like this until the cows come home, but enough people have had posts, threads, and accounts deleted or banned to dispute this notion. Being civil makes little difference. How many civil posts of Freak's were deleted? Thousands? Be real.
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I actually happen to fundamentally agree with most of the OH points made about the two different kinds of Dune books. I just don't find the rudest, most childish ways possible of saying so.
Sure you do. Keep telling yourself that.
You are making an artificial distinction. Only after numerous attempts at civility might someone get fed up with having thoughtful posts deleted all the time. An official Dune forum was extremely attractive to people who have been reading Dune books for 20-30 years, some longer. The reality quickly punched that excitement in its ovaries.
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And I don't see what's so terrible about the "alternate universe history" solution. That's also the only way I'm able to derive any enjoyment whatsoever of the TV series "Enterprise" -- because of the egregious ways it violates decades-ago established Star Trek canon. And I've said so on Star Trek forums -- and lo, I've not been banned.
Official sequel to Dune? Does that sound alternate to you? Final climax to Dune based on Frank Herbert's own outline, notes, and ideas? All of the new books have imposed themselves on the six Dune books. The authors write them as if they are building on top of Dune, they promote them as such, and this forum and the admin of this forum promote them as such. They don't act like it is some alternate reality. They are trying to push these books as the reality, and in fact have sometimes gone to great lengths to cancel out a reality from the original books (ie. Paul's birth).
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Hyppo wrote:
I am also an OH, don't forget. I just happen to be one who is capable of interacting courteously with people whose opinions are on the opposite end of the spectrum (even defying plain logic when it's pointed out to them).
I don't like what the new authors have done in the stories, either. But I'm capable of saying so without slagging their ancestry, their bank accounts, their motivations, and speculating on other unsavory things for which there is not one shred of proof. I don't post vulgar pictures or graphics and then whine and wail if the HLP and/or the Admin of this forum is offended.
There is a right way to complain and a wrong way to complain. Considering all the bannings (and the accompanying celebrations at other forums), it doesn't seem as though the "martyr wannabes" have learned the difference.
I actually happen to fundamentally agree with most of the OH points made about the two different kinds of Dune books. I just don't find the rudest, most childish ways possible of saying so.
And I don't see what's so terrible about the "alternate universe history" solution. That's also the only way I'm able to derive any enjoyment whatsoever of the TV series "Enterprise" -- because of the egregious ways it violates decades-ago established Star Trek canon. And I've said so on Star Trek forums -- and lo, I've not been banned.
Much of life isn't about what you say -- it's how you say it.
I don't think we disagree all that much. But I still maintain that one can have fun with friends in getting out one's rage at someone you dislike - be it authors, politicians, what have you - without being childish.
As long as you are ready to also discuss the matter constructively and civilly!
The alternate universe is a good way of looking at it, yes. But this does not change that a lot of people will misread (some have already) the originals based on what they read in the new books. And this, coupled with an official insistence that their reinterpretations are 'the way Frank meant it to be' and consistent with the originals, is basically inexcusable.
Also, I refer to Purge's comments above - they have gone out of their way to overrule facts from FH's books.
And, I have to mention the fact that a lot of stuff has been deleted here - not just when a particular persons entire history went, but also serious attempts at discussion which were simply critical of the originals, in a civil manner.
Good points have been made against the new books, too - along with some rude comments. That the latter is deleted is fair enough...
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I've more to say on this later, but for now, please remember that I too have had comments deleted -- good, thoughtful posts, and I was no happier at their being thrown out than the rest of you were happy about yours being deleted.
But if a post contains personal attacks against people, I can't blame Byron for deleting them or moving them or whatever other actions. As an Admin myself, I can attest that deletions are the last resort (usually) and we wish we didn't have to do things like that.
In my own opinion, the graphic banner involved in this latest argument DOES contain vulgarity, profanity, and personal attacks. Granted, you may wonder why I should care, since those attacks aren't directed against me. Well, nobody likes seeing stuff like that posted about one's family. And it IS against the rules here.
And anybody here who's been banned lately (with a couple of exceptions) has richly asked for it, as evidenced by the sniggering threads over at T(A)U and JACURUTU.
I have said that the "alternate history scenario" is the way I choose to read the nuDune books. I certainly don't regard them as canon, or anything remotely approaching canon. But if I'm going to spend part of my lifetime reading them, I want to find a way to enjoy them. This is how I do it, and it diminishes not one whit my anger at the way they were written.
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God, you suck Hyp. Once again saying nothing while while posting a small novel.
The official Dune forum is in my sig. That's where you can say what you want and not get it deleted, positive or negative. The fans make Dune official, and this place is running low.
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God, you suck Hyp. Once again saying nothing while while posting a small novel.
The official Dune forum is in my sig. That's where you can say what you want and not get it deleted, positive or negative. The fans make Dune official, and this place is running low.
So full of yourself... and still a liar. I certainly was NOT allowed to say what I wanted there.
And it's not my fault you appear to have the attention span of a micro-gnat.
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Hyppo wrote:
Crysknife wrote:
God, you suck Hyp. Once again saying nothing while while posting a small novel.
The official Dune forum is in my sig. That's where you can say what you want and not get it deleted, positive or negative. The fans make Dune official, and this place is running low.
So full of yourself... and still a liar. I certainly was NOT allowed to say what I wanted there.
And it's not my fault you appear to have the attention span of a micro-gnat.
We don't allow people who eat their own babies.
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This is the most bitter thread I've seen on here.
I'm all for civility, but the censorship here really bothers me sometimes. If I can't say simple theories like "Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson pump out Dune novels because Dune is a cash cow," then this isn't much of a fair forum.
The statement is not rude, vulgar, nor is it likely false.
But unfortunately it will be deleted, along with this whole thread of course.
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Hyppo wrote:
Crysknife wrote:
God, you suck Hyp. Once again saying nothing while while posting a small novel.
The official Dune forum is in my sig. That's where you can say what you want and not get it deleted, positive or negative. The fans make Dune official, and this place is running low.
So full of yourself... and still a liar. I certainly was NOT allowed to say what I wanted there.
And it's not my fault you appear to have the attention span of a micro-gnat.
Oh well, looks like the liar Hyppo still hasn't learned. Do you want me to copy and paste your lies on here, Hyppo? It would be appropriate in a thread dedicated to Freakzilla, as you lied and told me he said something he didn't. So, not content with lying, you were happy to put your lying words into Freakzilla's mouth.
Belt up, Hyppo, and try to get a job.
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Hyppo wrote:
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Hey Hyp, why don't you shut the f*ck up. Your skill in pointing out the obvious is beyond words. If you ever said anything of substance my f*cking head would explode.
Crysknife, I save my best "words of substance" for people I deem capable of understanding and appreciating them. Sadly, these days such posts don't make it on Dune forums at all -- because of all this stupid feuding. Why should I post my best for people who will just twist them, mock them, and lie about them anyway?
You know damn well Freakzilla has been trying to get banned from here. His reasons are childish. Why Byron hasn't obliged is not something I know or understand... in his shoes, I would have obliged him long ago, as well as any others.
HEARD FROM BARON lately? Didn't think so...
Wow, you edited that post two times and it's still full of sh!t.
You're clueless about any given subject, apart from Doctor Who and unicorns, which is the reason no one takes your posts seriously, sweetheart.
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But unfortunately it will be deleted, along with this whole thread of course.
I think you may be right D.D, the check is in the mail!
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My problem with the bannings here is that Byron and god knows who else systematically scan other boards and sites and will ban members here for what they say elsewhere. That is complete and utter bull@#$&. It is cowardly and completely bereft of ANYTHING resembling honor and open mindedness. The only purpose such a fascist system of censorship serves is to suppress the all too valid criticisms of these "books" in the hopes of continuing to fill the coffers of the glutenous and fecal monstrosity that is the HLP, aka Kevin J Anderson.
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Simon wrote:
DrunkenDuncan wrote:
But unfortunately it will be deleted, along with this whole thread of course.
I think you may be right D.D, the check is in the mail!
I'm surprised it made it this far!
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Freakzilla's password has been changed in what i can only call a childish act; either ban him or admit him Byron, be a man.
Freak as always been a nice guy and his only crimes were to express his opinions. He has always helped me out whenever i had doubts about the plot in the books and he's a person with a good sence of humor.
Thruth is that without him, this forum is empty of worth and interest.
Yes i am a friend of Freakzilla as well as Omphalos, SandChigger and Lisan Al-Gaib; people that stood up to this den of censorship and marketing scams.
Here's to you my friends. Adios.
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject: Re: Freakzilla, the man who undestands Dune
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Freakzilla's password has been changed in what i can only call a childish act; either ban him or admit him Byron, be a man.
Freak as always been a nice guy and his only crimes were to express his opinions. He has always helped me out whenever i had doubts about the plot in the books and he's a person with a good sence of humor.
Thruth is that without him, this forum is empty of worth and interest.
Yes i am a friend of Freakzilla as well as Omphalos, SandChigger and Lisan Al-Gaib; people that stood up to this den of censorship and marketing scams.
Here's to you my friends. Adios.
Yeah, I'll miss Freak. I can't even imagine what he did to get banned. He seemed like the civil type. Hopefully Byron forgives him.
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He has always been a man of polite dissent. Can't recall a time he's been rude to me ever, and I know he hates my point of view in regards to the old "classics vs. new" argument. Wish I could say I've kept my cool as constantly as he has.
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He has always been a man of polite dissent. Can't recall a time he's been rude to me ever, and I know he hates my point of view in regards to the old "classics vs. new" argument. Wish I could say I've kept my cool as constantly as he has.
Yeah! If anybody should be banned, it's you!
Ban Simon and bring back Freak, Byron!
Kidding, of course.
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject:
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uhhhhh ohhhhh...
i sense retribution on its way here....
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Hyppo
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:50 am Post subject:
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I see not ALL the children are back in school...
Dare I speculate that Freakzilla may have been SUSPENDED, which is not the same thing as PERMABANNED?
(just guessing; I certainly am not privy to whatever Byron's Admin decisions may be)
Either way, posting that graphic, in my opinion, is a big "Nyah, nyah, I dare you!" sign, which is quite childish and unworthy of the person Freakzilla USED to be when I first encountered him at Arrakeen a few years ago.
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 1:51 am Post subject:
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The powers that be don't appreciate honesty. Those who don't slurp the new books aren't welcome here. Those that are honest about what they think about the new books are even less welcome.
It was only natural that Byron would resort to mass bannings after witnessing his assault on any and all posts - whether polite or not - which voiced issues with the new authors and their books. Or the long history of allowing the preeqmatures to run amock on FH fans while wielding a heavy ban-hammer against said FH enthusiasts.
Maybe Byron will be happier down the line when this board is full of morons who have never really read any of Frank's books. I am guessing if he is the reader and author he claims to be he'll regret neutering this forum at some point down the line.
Either way, I can't respect someone promoting this:
And it is even sadder that it is someone that it is his own flesh and blood.
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:34 am Post subject:
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Hey Hyp, why don't you shut the f*ck up. Your skill in pointing out the obvious is beyond words. If you ever said anything of substance my f*cking head would explode.
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Regardless of the banned or "banned" status of Freak it still results in one-sided censorship of someone who is the most honorable and fair of all the "OH" community. I'm sure the upcoming release of PoD has nothing to do with the house-cleaning.
I'M AMPOLIROS, and I approve of this civil disobedience.
Bear of Dune says hi also.
<It's okay, I'm going back in my cave now>
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Hyppo
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:20 am Post subject:
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Hey Hyp, why don't you shut the f*ck up. Your skill in pointing out the obvious is beyond words. If you ever said anything of substance my f*cking head would explode.
Crysknife, I save my best "words of substance" for people I deem capable of understanding and appreciating them. Sadly, these days such posts don't make it on Dune forums at all -- because of all this stupid feuding. Why should I post my best for people who will just twist them, mock them, and lie about them anyway?
You know damn well Freakzilla has been trying to get banned from here. His reasons are childish. Why Byron hasn't obliged is not something I know or understand... in his shoes, I would have obliged him long ago, as well as any others.
HEARD FROM BARON lately? Didn't think so...
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Uh, you obliged everybody long ago. Not that any of us care anymore.
And what the f*ck is "interstanding"? I really don't need to know about your last sexual encounters with your b*tch slappin' boyfriend ten years ago.
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:13 am Post subject:
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Thank you for pointing out my typos. I have fixed them.
Leave my ex out of this. The various sexual innuendoes you and others post here and on the other forums are quite tiresome, unfunny, and say much more about your lack of character than any traits of mine.
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They are so funny, b*tch. and if you don't think so, you can take YOUR lack of character(which is legendary by the way) and shove it up your a$$. It would be hard to miss it.
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:00 am Post subject:
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I have no sympathy for Freakzilla. Poor Arnoldo was crucified at Jacurutu. I find most of OHer's are vicious and nasty. They are vultures waiting to tear anybody who likes KJA + BH's books to pieces.
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You just proved my point, Crysknife. Each time I read another few days' worth of what passes for "discussion" at T(A)U and JACURUTU I see you've all lost another couple of tens of not only IQ points, but also EQ and MQ.
Admit it -- you're all mentally about 10 years old, thinking you're terribly funny and sophisticated with the innuendoes and bathroom humor, slagging people you hate just because they did their jobs to the best of their ability and it happened to not turn out that in doing so they let you continue your childish behavior.
Well, you're not as funny as you think. People are noticing and turning away in disgust.
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:48 am Post subject:
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This is quite the enjoyable topic. May I raise the option to not delete it Byron. This topic shows in great detail what the HLP has accomplished over the years.
lundse2
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:49 pm Post subject:
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You just proved my point, Crysknife. Each time I read another few days' worth of what passes for "discussion" at T(A)U and JACURUTU I see you've all lost another couple of tens of not only IQ points, but also EQ and MQ.
Admit it -- you're all mentally about 10 years old, thinking you're terribly funny and sophisticated with the innuendoes and bathroom humor, slagging people you hate just because they did their jobs to the best of their ability and it happened to not turn out that in doing so they let you continue your childish behavior.
Well, you're not as funny as you think. People are noticing and turning away in disgust.
I agree that there is a lot of KJA&BH bashing at Jacurutu. For reasons of civility, I cannot really discuss here the degree to which I agree with it - suffice to say of the people I have seen 'bash' KJA&BH, I have also seen most of them give lucid accounts of their grievances with same.
And some of it is, while offensive, pretty clever and fun
That said, I do not agree that everyone who indulges in silly humor and namecalling, must by necessity be childish and emotionally immature. The inability to criticise constructively without it is certainly a sign of immaturity - but while I have, eg. lots of intelligent things to say against Bush and his politics, I am not above ridiculing him or enjoying jokes on his behalf.
All in all, I find it much more interesting that noone answer us 'Orthodox Herbertians' when we make our points.
Noone has told me why we should suspect Alia's memory of being wrong, noone can tell me what new, interesting themes KJA are introducing or how his handling of Frank's ideas is well done.
I came to this forum, inviting a civil discussion on the KJA&BH books and canonicity. I did the same at Jacurutu at the same time, linking back between the two.
As far as I can see, my posts here have been deleted - discussion on the topic has degenerated to me asking basic questions such as the above or trying to get people's interpretation of FH quotes and what they told us about how he envisioned the Jihad. Those who believe the new books are (or can be) consistent with the originals simply fail to answer or comment.
On Jacurutu, there has been discussion on the matter and actual points made (yes, at one point someone pointed out an error on one of my critiques of the new books - we are discussing, not reiterating what we all agree on). I would _love_ for someone to step up and try to argue lucidly against these interpretations, but it just never happens.
Zeus slandered my here and on wikipedia last time I tried, and now I am being met by a wall of silence.
The name-calling goes both ways (remember the "T a l i f a n" comment and strawmanning of our arguments?) - and is ultimately uninteresting. What is interesting is the actual debate, let's try that!
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You just proved my point, Crysknife. Each time I read another few days' worth of what passes for "discussion" at T(A)U and JACURUTU I see you've all lost another couple of tens of not only IQ points, but also EQ and MQ.
Who can count all of the intelligent posts and discussions on the part of 'Orthodox Herbertians' which have been deleted here? Or forget the posts and discussions, how about the people behind them? Gone.
Instead of obsessing about Jacurutu and TAU, if you honestly care about quality discussion, why don't you direct your wrath towards Byron, who devours quality discussions whole, and leaves no sign of them in his wake?
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Admit it -- you're all mentally about 10 years old, thinking you're terribly funny and sophisticated with the innuendoes and bathroom humor, slagging people you hate just because they did their jobs to the best of their ability and it happened to not turn out that in doing so they let you continue your childish behavior.
Oh no, Hyppo is insulting our mental capacity, someone, quick, sound an alarm of some sort, preferrably a dramatic and obnoxious one.
Spare us all the epic braveheart speech, toots.
Perhaps some OHians do hate KJA and So-Frank. Personally, I take issue with their seeming hate of Frank Herbert. Generally, defecating on something/someone which/who is widely beloved and respected is frowned upon, but with the new authors/books it is embraced.
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Well, you're not as funny as you think. People are noticing and turning away in disgust.
What does humor have to do with anything?
And who are these "people" you speak of?
The only people I see being turned away are posters who have been here for years, who have stimulated activity and intelligent discussion, and who have been cast out for daring to acknowledge how ill equipped these authors are/have been to write about the Dune universe.
Their eight books prove this. A ninth isn't going to suddenly flip the switch on this. FH spent six books and twenty years creating a gem, and these hacks have tried their damndest to bury it.
I don't hate them.
But I do wonder why they hate Frank so much.
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I am also an OH, don't forget. I just happen to be one who is capable of interacting courteously with people whose opinions are on the opposite end of the spectrum (even defying plain logic when it's pointed out to them).
I don't like what the new authors have done in the stories, either. But I'm capable of saying so without slagging their ancestry, their bank accounts, their motivations, and speculating on other unsavory things for which there is not one shred of proof. I don't post vulgar pictures or graphics and then whine and wail if the HLP and/or the Admin of this forum is offended.
There is a right way to complain and a wrong way to complain. Considering all the bannings (and the accompanying celebrations at other forums), it doesn't seem as though the "martyr wannabes" have learned the difference.
I actually happen to fundamentally agree with most of the OH points made about the two different kinds of Dune books. I just don't find the rudest, most childish ways possible of saying so.
And I don't see what's so terrible about the "alternate universe history" solution. That's also the only way I'm able to derive any enjoyment whatsoever of the TV series "Enterprise" -- because of the egregious ways it violates decades-ago established Star Trek canon. And I've said so on Star Trek forums -- and lo, I've not been banned.
Much of life isn't about what you say -- it's how you say it.
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I am also an OH, don't forget. I just happen to be one who is capable of interacting courteously with people whose opinions are on the opposite end of the spectrum (even defying plain logic when it's pointed out to them).
I have rarely if ever seen a courteous post from you, and that goes especially for posts directed at OH.
Must be one of those self-hating types.
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I don't like what the new authors have done in the stories, either. But I'm capable of saying so without slagging their ancestry, their bank accounts, their motivations, and speculating on other unsavory things for which there is not one shred of proof. I don't post vulgar pictures or graphics and then whine and wail if the HLP and/or the Admin of this forum is offended.
Most of the people that have had their posts deleted weren't posting vulgar pictures or graphics, they had legitimate, intelligent points.
Who are you trying to convince with your oversimplifications? This thread isn't going to be here for posterity for the next round of preeks, and the rest of us know it's BS.
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There is a right way to complain and a wrong way to complain. Considering all the bannings (and the accompanying celebrations at other forums), it doesn't seem as though the "martyr wannabes" have learned the difference.
You can make comments like this until the cows come home, but enough people have had posts, threads, and accounts deleted or banned to dispute this notion. Being civil makes little difference. How many civil posts of Freak's were deleted? Thousands? Be real.
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I actually happen to fundamentally agree with most of the OH points made about the two different kinds of Dune books. I just don't find the rudest, most childish ways possible of saying so.
Sure you do. Keep telling yourself that.
You are making an artificial distinction. Only after numerous attempts at civility might someone get fed up with having thoughtful posts deleted all the time. An official Dune forum was extremely attractive to people who have been reading Dune books for 20-30 years, some longer. The reality quickly punched that excitement in its ovaries.
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And I don't see what's so terrible about the "alternate universe history" solution. That's also the only way I'm able to derive any enjoyment whatsoever of the TV series "Enterprise" -- because of the egregious ways it violates decades-ago established Star Trek canon. And I've said so on Star Trek forums -- and lo, I've not been banned.
Official sequel to Dune? Does that sound alternate to you? Final climax to Dune based on Frank Herbert's own outline, notes, and ideas? All of the new books have imposed themselves on the six Dune books. The authors write them as if they are building on top of Dune, they promote them as such, and this forum and the admin of this forum promote them as such. They don't act like it is some alternate reality. They are trying to push these books as the reality, and in fact have sometimes gone to great lengths to cancel out a reality from the original books (ie. Paul's birth).
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Thanks Tony Robbins.
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Hyppo wrote:
I am also an OH, don't forget. I just happen to be one who is capable of interacting courteously with people whose opinions are on the opposite end of the spectrum (even defying plain logic when it's pointed out to them).
I don't like what the new authors have done in the stories, either. But I'm capable of saying so without slagging their ancestry, their bank accounts, their motivations, and speculating on other unsavory things for which there is not one shred of proof. I don't post vulgar pictures or graphics and then whine and wail if the HLP and/or the Admin of this forum is offended.
There is a right way to complain and a wrong way to complain. Considering all the bannings (and the accompanying celebrations at other forums), it doesn't seem as though the "martyr wannabes" have learned the difference.
I actually happen to fundamentally agree with most of the OH points made about the two different kinds of Dune books. I just don't find the rudest, most childish ways possible of saying so.
And I don't see what's so terrible about the "alternate universe history" solution. That's also the only way I'm able to derive any enjoyment whatsoever of the TV series "Enterprise" -- because of the egregious ways it violates decades-ago established Star Trek canon. And I've said so on Star Trek forums -- and lo, I've not been banned.
Much of life isn't about what you say -- it's how you say it.
I don't think we disagree all that much. But I still maintain that one can have fun with friends in getting out one's rage at someone you dislike - be it authors, politicians, what have you - without being childish.
As long as you are ready to also discuss the matter constructively and civilly!
The alternate universe is a good way of looking at it, yes. But this does not change that a lot of people will misread (some have already) the originals based on what they read in the new books. And this, coupled with an official insistence that their reinterpretations are 'the way Frank meant it to be' and consistent with the originals, is basically inexcusable.
Also, I refer to Purge's comments above - they have gone out of their way to overrule facts from FH's books.
And, I have to mention the fact that a lot of stuff has been deleted here - not just when a particular persons entire history went, but also serious attempts at discussion which were simply critical of the originals, in a civil manner.
Good points have been made against the new books, too - along with some rude comments. That the latter is deleted is fair enough...
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I've more to say on this later, but for now, please remember that I too have had comments deleted -- good, thoughtful posts, and I was no happier at their being thrown out than the rest of you were happy about yours being deleted.
But if a post contains personal attacks against people, I can't blame Byron for deleting them or moving them or whatever other actions. As an Admin myself, I can attest that deletions are the last resort (usually) and we wish we didn't have to do things like that.
In my own opinion, the graphic banner involved in this latest argument DOES contain vulgarity, profanity, and personal attacks. Granted, you may wonder why I should care, since those attacks aren't directed against me. Well, nobody likes seeing stuff like that posted about one's family. And it IS against the rules here.
And anybody here who's been banned lately (with a couple of exceptions) has richly asked for it, as evidenced by the sniggering threads over at T(A)U and JACURUTU.
I have said that the "alternate history scenario" is the way I choose to read the nuDune books. I certainly don't regard them as canon, or anything remotely approaching canon. But if I'm going to spend part of my lifetime reading them, I want to find a way to enjoy them. This is how I do it, and it diminishes not one whit my anger at the way they were written.
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God, you suck Hyp. Once again saying nothing while while posting a small novel.
The official Dune forum is in my sig. That's where you can say what you want and not get it deleted, positive or negative. The fans make Dune official, and this place is running low.
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God, you suck Hyp. Once again saying nothing while while posting a small novel.
The official Dune forum is in my sig. That's where you can say what you want and not get it deleted, positive or negative. The fans make Dune official, and this place is running low.
So full of yourself... and still a liar. I certainly was NOT allowed to say what I wanted there.
And it's not my fault you appear to have the attention span of a micro-gnat.
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God, you suck Hyp. Once again saying nothing while while posting a small novel.
The official Dune forum is in my sig. That's where you can say what you want and not get it deleted, positive or negative. The fans make Dune official, and this place is running low.
So full of yourself... and still a liar. I certainly was NOT allowed to say what I wanted there.
And it's not my fault you appear to have the attention span of a micro-gnat.
We don't allow people who eat their own babies.
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This is the most bitter thread I've seen on here.
I'm all for civility, but the censorship here really bothers me sometimes. If I can't say simple theories like "Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson pump out Dune novels because Dune is a cash cow," then this isn't much of a fair forum.
The statement is not rude, vulgar, nor is it likely false.
But unfortunately it will be deleted, along with this whole thread of course.
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Hyppo wrote:
Crysknife wrote:
God, you suck Hyp. Once again saying nothing while while posting a small novel.
The official Dune forum is in my sig. That's where you can say what you want and not get it deleted, positive or negative. The fans make Dune official, and this place is running low.
So full of yourself... and still a liar. I certainly was NOT allowed to say what I wanted there.
And it's not my fault you appear to have the attention span of a micro-gnat.
Oh well, looks like the liar Hyppo still hasn't learned. Do you want me to copy and paste your lies on here, Hyppo? It would be appropriate in a thread dedicated to Freakzilla, as you lied and told me he said something he didn't. So, not content with lying, you were happy to put your lying words into Freakzilla's mouth.
Belt up, Hyppo, and try to get a job.
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Hey Hyp, why don't you shut the f*ck up. Your skill in pointing out the obvious is beyond words. If you ever said anything of substance my f*cking head would explode.
Crysknife, I save my best "words of substance" for people I deem capable of understanding and appreciating them. Sadly, these days such posts don't make it on Dune forums at all -- because of all this stupid feuding. Why should I post my best for people who will just twist them, mock them, and lie about them anyway?
You know damn well Freakzilla has been trying to get banned from here. His reasons are childish. Why Byron hasn't obliged is not something I know or understand... in his shoes, I would have obliged him long ago, as well as any others.
HEARD FROM BARON lately? Didn't think so...
Wow, you edited that post two times and it's still full of sh!t.
You're clueless about any given subject, apart from Doctor Who and unicorns, which is the reason no one takes your posts seriously, sweetheart.
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But unfortunately it will be deleted, along with this whole thread of course.
I think you may be right D.D, the check is in the mail!
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My problem with the bannings here is that Byron and god knows who else systematically scan other boards and sites and will ban members here for what they say elsewhere. That is complete and utter bull@#$&. It is cowardly and completely bereft of ANYTHING resembling honor and open mindedness. The only purpose such a fascist system of censorship serves is to suppress the all too valid criticisms of these "books" in the hopes of continuing to fill the coffers of the glutenous and fecal monstrosity that is the HLP, aka Kevin J Anderson.
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Simon wrote:
DrunkenDuncan wrote:
But unfortunately it will be deleted, along with this whole thread of course.
I think you may be right D.D, the check is in the mail!
I'm surprised it made it this far!
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