Rise of the Apes
Rise of the Apes
I was really properly looking forward to this one... not quite so certain now.
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I can't see that at work, but I was not anticipating it at all. I hated the first one, mostly because of Marky Mark, who IMHO has got to be the shittiest actor working today.
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Re: Rise of the Apes
Trailer looks ok. But yeah, that first one was horrible.
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so the fucktards are just gonna skip over
Beneath the Planet of the Apes & Escape from the Planet of the Apes,
and go right into Conquest of the Planet of the Apes, but re-write the story ?
but hell, they probably rewrote the first one too, I never did see that ....
Beneath the Planet of the Apes & Escape from the Planet of the Apes,
and go right into Conquest of the Planet of the Apes, but re-write the story ?
but hell, they probably rewrote the first one too, I never did see that ....
Re: Rise of the Apes
IIRC they are selling this as a reboot of the original series, not the shit 2001 remake (although it did have gorgeous armour design ) and they are on about doing sequels. It's all about the franchise!
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Re: Rise of the Apes
wait, what ?
so this project is the first in a re-boot ?
that makes even less sense - the original kick of the french guy's book
was the astronauts landing on an "alien planet" where apes had evolved
ahead of humans ... and the revelation at the end of the book that the
couple on the "space-cruise" that had found the "message" detailing the
astronauts' adventure were actually chimps - and they decide the "message"
is some kind of hoax or joke - a human couldn't have actually written all
that, and throw it away with a laugh ...
the kick of the first movie was the very end and Heston on his knees in front
of the half-buried Statue of Liberty ... granted, the "plot-twists" of the
Monkey Planet book are well-known now (because the story done been
exploited to death, yo) but still, beginning the story with humans
accelerating the evolution of the apes (or whatever their plot-device is here)
is just ... lame ...
also, that undermines the quirky and mind-bending-at-the-time story-arc
of the original films - the human astronauts in the second film blow up the
future-earth with a left-over nuclear device, the two chimps escape in the
astronauts' repaired capsule and return to the current-time Earth, go on the
Dick Cavett show, and leave their evolved baby chimp with Montalban, who
eventually leads the servant-apes into rebellion - and changes the future of
earth ...
plus, the CGI apes jumping around in the background of the trailer look shitty ...
so this project is the first in a re-boot ?
that makes even less sense - the original kick of the french guy's book
was the astronauts landing on an "alien planet" where apes had evolved
ahead of humans ... and the revelation at the end of the book that the
couple on the "space-cruise" that had found the "message" detailing the
astronauts' adventure were actually chimps - and they decide the "message"
is some kind of hoax or joke - a human couldn't have actually written all
that, and throw it away with a laugh ...
the kick of the first movie was the very end and Heston on his knees in front
of the half-buried Statue of Liberty ... granted, the "plot-twists" of the
Monkey Planet book are well-known now (because the story done been
exploited to death, yo) but still, beginning the story with humans
accelerating the evolution of the apes (or whatever their plot-device is here)
is just ... lame ...
also, that undermines the quirky and mind-bending-at-the-time story-arc
of the original films - the human astronauts in the second film blow up the
future-earth with a left-over nuclear device, the two chimps escape in the
astronauts' repaired capsule and return to the current-time Earth, go on the
Dick Cavett show, and leave their evolved baby chimp with Montalban, who
eventually leads the servant-apes into rebellion - and changes the future of
earth ...
plus, the CGI apes jumping around in the background of the trailer look shitty ...
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i love the original series because of the time travel causal paradoxes etc etc. (well, that and charlton heston )
this just looks stupid. the burton film was terrible and the twist at the end really made no sense.. but somehow i think that's what he was going for
this just looks stupid. the burton film was terrible and the twist at the end really made no sense.. but somehow i think that's what he was going for
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I didn't even know that one was by Burton, that's the last PotA? The twist at the end was total nonsense, I beat myself up for a long time thinking I was dumb for not getting it, then I realized it was gibberish... felt better.
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The end of the Burton one is actually closer to the original novel (unlike the entire rest of the film) - going home and finding apes.
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But the orginal movie took place on Earth right? So the Burton one makes zero sense because it takes place on some other planet.
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A Thing of Eternity wrote:But the orginal movie took place on Earth right? So the Burton one makes zero sense because it takes place on some other planet.
Or Earth in the future and some sort of time travel was involved, it never is made clear.
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It is unclear in the book (hey, it's French, ya know?) but I always thought it took place on another planet where parallel evolution was ongoing.A Thing of Eternity wrote:But the orginal movie took place on Earth right? So the Burton one makes zero sense because it takes place on some other planet.
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Re: Rise of the Apes
Yeah - it was a planet orbiting Betelgeuse IIRCOmphalos wrote:It is unclear in the book (hey, it's French, ya know?) but I always thought it took place on another planet where parallel evolution was ongoing.A Thing of Eternity wrote:But the orginal movie took place on Earth right? So the Burton one makes zero sense because it takes place on some other planet.
And that, children, is how the little bunny rabbit got his fluffy white tail.
As a minimum, we must demand from SF that it be wiser than the world it speaks to.
--Darko Suvin; On the Poetics of the Science Fiction Genre
As a minimum, we must demand from SF that it be wiser than the world it speaks to.
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Oh. But then how does the whole statue of liberty thing make any sense?
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Hollywood changed it.A Thing of Eternity wrote:Oh. But then how does the whole statue of liberty thing make any sense?
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right, that was the Chuck Heston movie version - "Monkey Planet" was a lot
simpler ... as I said above (I think), the "kicker" in the book was at the end
when it is revealed that the couple on the space cruise that find the "message
in a bottle" that is the story are apes ... they toss it aside, laughing; must be
a hoax of some kind or some one's "science fiction" story ... imagine, humans
talking ....
it's been a very long time since I read the book, but I think the "astronauts"
were from Earth ... no "time travel" angle, just parallel-evolution, as Omph said ...
simpler ... as I said above (I think), the "kicker" in the book was at the end
when it is revealed that the couple on the space cruise that find the "message
in a bottle" that is the story are apes ... they toss it aside, laughing; must be
a hoax of some kind or some one's "science fiction" story ... imagine, humans
talking ....
it's been a very long time since I read the book, but I think the "astronauts"
were from Earth ... no "time travel" angle, just parallel-evolution, as Omph said ...
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In the movie, it coulda been a time dilation thing, too.
('Cause they were in a spaceship an' goin' fast an' shit)
HBJ
('Cause they were in a spaceship an' goin' fast an' shit)
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OHHHHH! I had no idea the whole movie ending was changed from the real story.
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had to be a time-dildo thing, in the second movie when they get undergroundHunchback Jack wrote:In the movie, it coulda been a time dilation thing, too.
('Cause they were in a spaceship an' goin' fast an' shit)
HBJ
the second astronaut says he used to live on that street and in the third movie
them two chimps travel backwards in time to earth-before ....
hey, Thing, I'm looking around the chans for a pdf of "Monkey Planet" ...
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Its all coming back to me now. Boulle did specify the star, and did say time dialation was why the two societies evolved during the lifetimes of the astronauts.
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Re: Rise of the Apes
haven't found the pdf of Monkey Planet yet,
but I did find a .pdf of
"The Yamaha Sound Reinforcement Handbook"
by Gary Davis & Ralph Jones
Second Edition, Second Printing 1990
(first edition Dec 1987)
the file is almost 30MB, 431 pages,
might be outdated for all the new digital stuff,
but the kid who posted it said it was the "bible
for sound engineers" .... if you know what
this is and want it, I can send you the thing
or send you the link where I found it ...
but I did find a .pdf of
"The Yamaha Sound Reinforcement Handbook"
by Gary Davis & Ralph Jones
Second Edition, Second Printing 1990
(first edition Dec 1987)
the file is almost 30MB, 431 pages,
might be outdated for all the new digital stuff,
but the kid who posted it said it was the "bible
for sound engineers" .... if you know what
this is and want it, I can send you the thing
or send you the link where I found it ...
Re: Rise of the Apes
Just seen this one:
Four thumbs up.
It were brilliant. Highly recommended - my film of the year (so far)
Four thumbs up.
It were brilliant. Highly recommended - my film of the year (so far)
And that, children, is how the little bunny rabbit got his fluffy white tail.
As a minimum, we must demand from SF that it be wiser than the world it speaks to.
--Darko Suvin; On the Poetics of the Science Fiction Genre
As a minimum, we must demand from SF that it be wiser than the world it speaks to.
--Darko Suvin; On the Poetics of the Science Fiction Genre
Re: Rise of the Apes
I wouldn't go that far...
It was entertaining and IMO better than the previous "new" ones, but for this movie "temporary suspension of disbelief" is often called upon, and I mean often
If you are serious about your science fiction you'll probably hate it, and I guess that it hits the right chords in our feelings, but does that make a good story if it falls for obvious schmuck lovey dovey we're all singing poneys ?
CGI was technically awesome, by now you probably all know the main ma... monkey is played by the guy who did Gollum in LOTR
It was entertaining and IMO better than the previous "new" ones, but for this movie "temporary suspension of disbelief" is often called upon, and I mean often
If you are serious about your science fiction you'll probably hate it, and I guess that it hits the right chords in our feelings, but does that make a good story if it falls for obvious schmuck lovey dovey we're all singing poneys ?
CGI was technically awesome, by now you probably all know the main ma... monkey is played by the guy who did Gollum in LOTR
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Here was a funny tweet from Neil deGrasse Tyson the other day:
Just saw "Rise of Planet of The Apes." It portrays a wholly unrealistic future in which we send a manned mission to Mars.
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I'm a big fan of his.
I like what I know (which admittedly isn't a lot, just what I've gleaned from trailers) about how they've updated the backstory for this one. But I'm afraid to go see it after the disappointment of Cowduds and Aliens.
(By the way, don't bother with the graphic novel of C & A. I got halfway through and just said, fuck this, I'm going back to Proust. It's that bad.)
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I'll see it. I seriously lower my expectations when I go to see SF films, so I'm sure I'll just enjoy all the apes smashing shit.
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That's a good philosophy - and relief that the horrible trailer (that probably showed too much) was not an accurate reflection of the film itself might have enhanced my viewing pleasure somewhat.A Thing of Eternity wrote:I'll see it. I seriously lower my expectations when I go to see SF films, so I'm sure I'll just enjoy all the apes smashing shit.
But of all the genre films out this year (I think I've seen most of them) this one was by far the strongest (honourable mention to Source Code.. but Apes is better) and I respectfully disagree with everything lotek says, on at least some level
And that, children, is how the little bunny rabbit got his fluffy white tail.
As a minimum, we must demand from SF that it be wiser than the world it speaks to.
--Darko Suvin; On the Poetics of the Science Fiction Genre
As a minimum, we must demand from SF that it be wiser than the world it speaks to.
--Darko Suvin; On the Poetics of the Science Fiction Genre
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maybe I was harsher than I meant, I dunno...
what would you not agree with then ?
what would you not agree with then ?
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