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Well, Zack Snyder's live action adaptation of Moore's classic graphic novel now has a trailer. Much like the costume pictures that were released, it looks brilliant visually, but that's not the part that worries me
http://www.firstshowing.net/2008/07/17/ ... -stunning/
I hope the script and acting is as good as all the made-to-geekgasm appetizers fed in the trailer, but I'm still a bit worried.
http://www.firstshowing.net/2008/07/17/ ... -stunning/
I hope the script and acting is as good as all the made-to-geekgasm appetizers fed in the trailer, but I'm still a bit worried.
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While waiting for that big pig of a trailer to download, I thought I'd give Phaedrus a hand. Here is a link for the compilation volume at $13.95, cheaper than most trade pb's. I also see it can be got for $9.50 used.
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My God that was awesome.
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If you're as big as fan as I am and have the financial means, I definitely recommend picking up the hardcover "Absolute Watchmen". It's a much larger volume with bigger pages/panels, the coloring has been revised by the original colorist and it includes the rare interviews from the UK collected edition. Yes, it's an arm and a leg, but we're talking Watchmen here. I love mine
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Not exactly Watchmen related, but a few words of wisdom from Alan Moore
http://www.arthurmag.com/magpie/?p=2999
http://www.arthurmag.com/magpie/?p=2999
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Fun and Games in Hollywood
Here is an article about a legal battle that is just starting over the release of this film.
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I wonder if it's a stunt. I wouldn't put it past them. There's no better way to get all the skeptics on board than to make your film and then dangle it behind a delayed release. Course, this sounds a bit more serious than a typical film delay, but really, what's a million or two more in the budget of a hollywood blockbuster for a "faux" court battle?
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If process were served, and it sounds like it has been, there would be dire consequences for faking a battle like this. Lawyers would be disbarred, and the sanctions would probably be tremendous. The court would have to power to order people to jail as well for contempt of court, and if I were the judge assigned a contrived battle between two litigants, especially two litigants who live on publicity and have billions of dollars, there is no end to the people I would order to jail. And I'm not talking some fluffy city jail with luxuries like light fixtures and flushing toilets. Off those dipshits go to the worst hole I can find.
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Oh, I just wish everyone would stop talking about Hype and move on already.Omphalos wrote:...the worst hole I can find.
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So who's to blame here? D.C. (i assume) for selling the rights to Warner, Warner for not ensuring there were no other claims to the rights or Fox for not protecting their rights to exploit. IMO fox should shut the fuck up they had years to make their version of the movie and years to (re)discover that they held the rights. The only reason I can see that they would wait till now is that they have Warner over a barrel and their trous or down.
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Its very difficult to tell. Options can be sold by whomever holds a property right. I have no idea what the ownership is, but it is entirely possible that Moore, DC, and even Dave Gibbons all had a property right in it, so they each could have sold something to the plaintiff.
Owners can also sell multiple options sometimes too, depending on how the contracts are written, and those who buy options are often free to sell them to a third party. This was the problem with Dune for a long time. There were so many different options out there that the lawyers had a hard time coralling them. Im sure that there were multiple options for movies, then there are options for tie-in books, video games, etc. Its truly Byzantine, and the first thing that must be done with many projects like this is to find out what is out there, what rights they grant, and how to go about purchasing them all so that nobody has any rights but you.
Owners can also sell multiple options sometimes too, depending on how the contracts are written, and those who buy options are often free to sell them to a third party. This was the problem with Dune for a long time. There were so many different options out there that the lawyers had a hard time coralling them. Im sure that there were multiple options for movies, then there are options for tie-in books, video games, etc. Its truly Byzantine, and the first thing that must be done with many projects like this is to find out what is out there, what rights they grant, and how to go about purchasing them all so that nobody has any rights but you.
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I think it's simply a case of WB not doing their homework. Now Fox is likely to be either awarded (or settled) for a cut of the profits. Which means Watchmen better do really well or it'll be an under performer for WB
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The thing is though, DC has been owned by Time Warner since the 70's and while for a time in the mid 80's options were shopped around to other studio's, I seriously doubt DC's lawyers screwed up. I recall in the late 90's talk of the option rights reverting back to DC. If I recall correctly, DC requires progress within a certain time frame, so as to not tie up a property in production limbo.GamePlayer wrote:I think it's simply a case of WB not doing their homework. Now Fox is likely to be either awarded (or settled) for a cut of the profits. Which means Watchmen better do really well or it'll be an under performer for WB
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Possibly, but when it comes to properties like that, different rights can be contracted for different profit centers relating to the production. One company may own the film rights themselves while the distribution/merchandising/home video rights might belong to someone else under a totally different contract with a totally different time frame. Just look at the twisted ownership histories of Blade Runner or Super Dimension Fortress Macross. These things can be really complicated.
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That's true, and I'm going off of memories from comicon back in the early 2000's when i would go out drinking with staff from Dark Horse and DC. It is just that with DC and Warners Brothers being owned by Time Warner it is difficult for me at this moment to see them goofing up. Time Warner bought DC to keep everything in house when they set out to make the Superman movies, in fact DC is distributed to the book trade through Warner Books. The 20tch Century Fox stuff if I recall has to do with Terry Gillium's efforts but since all his contracts are fulfilled I really don't see much of a leg for them to stand on.
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the first half of it isn't muse.. not sure what song that is...\
as for their using "take a bow" they jumped all over in the song. the actual track builds much better than their edited version.
that song is kind of funny actually; it's talking to george bush and saying how he's gonna burn in hell for his sins, for taking the lives and souls of a country etc...
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It's an okay track, but it doesn't work well for the trailer precisely because that particular songs does not lend itself to short form editing the way many other songs do (like, for example, the Pumpkin's "The Beginning Is the End Is the Beginning" used in the first trailer).
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i agree. it doesnt lend itself to shortening and they did a piss poor job for the trailer at that..GamePlayer wrote:It's an okay track, but it doesn't work well for the trailer precisely because that particular songs does not lend itself to short form editing the way many other songs do (like, for example, the Pumpkin's "The Beginning Is the End Is the Beginning" used in the first trailer).
that pumpkins title just sounds like it would be good for mixing and matching different parts
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The one thing I do like about this new trailer; it's revealed many other non-action scenes, scenes which are pivotal to the broader story and themes of the graphic novel. This is starting to assuage my fears about the adaptation of the narrative from the book since it appears they are including much more.
I really hope Zack doesn't let us down with this one. But I will say that Watchmen is going to be the true test for Snyder as a filmmaker. I liked Dawn of the Dead and 300, but Watchmen is substance, drama, and subtext. Zack will have to decide whether he wants a real career as a filmmaker or if he's just another Brett Ratner in the making. I'm hoping for the best.
I really hope Zack doesn't let us down with this one. But I will say that Watchmen is going to be the true test for Snyder as a filmmaker. I liked Dawn of the Dead and 300, but Watchmen is substance, drama, and subtext. Zack will have to decide whether he wants a real career as a filmmaker or if he's just another Brett Ratner in the making. I'm hoping for the best.
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If he keeps using and abusing the slow motion camera i'm gonna get steaming pissed. But so far almost all the images it shows are very close to the graphic novel so i have my fingers crossed.
Although i think that graphic novels like The Watchmen dont need to have movie versions because, for me, graphic novel is the perfect medium, with both visual and written content being taken to it's best.
Although i think that graphic novels like The Watchmen dont need to have movie versions because, for me, graphic novel is the perfect medium, with both visual and written content being taken to it's best.
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Except for Drieberg and whatsherface. They were both a good bit fatter in the graphic novel, which was a BIG part of his personality; being a fat oldish guy. And I dont think Ive seen her smoke in either trailer.
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Wow. I am halfway through my first read of Watchmen right now. That trailer in the OP looks very true to the feel of the book.
BUT - I really like the 80s setting of the novel. I'm guessing that it will be revamped for a 2009 setting??
BUT - I really like the 80s setting of the novel. I'm guessing that it will be revamped for a 2009 setting??
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Would Hollywood let it be done any other way?SimonH wrote:Wow. I am halfway through my first read of Watchmen right now. That trailer in the OP looks very true to the feel of the book.
BUT - I really like the 80s setting of the novel. I'm guessing that it will be revamped for a 2009 setting??
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I actually think Zack Snyder's preferred visual style rather suits something like Watchmen. Watchmen is a slow moving, heightened dramatic story, one which definitely meshes well with Snyder's work. Visually, I don't see a thing to complain about with Snyders Watchmen adaptation. It's brilliant. My biggest concerns are the script, the characterization and the implementation. Sure it looks nice, but what Hollywood picture doesn't these days? What about the substance, because substance is what is most important in Watchmen.
I also think the slow-motion complaint is quite past expiry. I don't mean to come down on anyone, but I'd just like to say it's an old complaint which is pretty much out of gas. Yes, Michael Bay has abused slow motion like no other filmmaker in history, but that doesn't mean it's not a useful, appropriate technique. And I pretty much blame the audiences for continuing to see his films. Even the greats, like James Cameron, use slow motion.
The rage nowadays is documentary camera and what I like to call "impressionistic action" sequences. I welcome a bit of slow motion to help offset the chaos of the crazy cam
I also think the slow-motion complaint is quite past expiry. I don't mean to come down on anyone, but I'd just like to say it's an old complaint which is pretty much out of gas. Yes, Michael Bay has abused slow motion like no other filmmaker in history, but that doesn't mean it's not a useful, appropriate technique. And I pretty much blame the audiences for continuing to see his films. Even the greats, like James Cameron, use slow motion.
The rage nowadays is documentary camera and what I like to call "impressionistic action" sequences. I welcome a bit of slow motion to help offset the chaos of the crazy cam
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Hmmm....
Well, I just ordered the book from Amazon, if that says anything.
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Well, I just ordered the book from Amazon, if that says anything.
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You're not alone.SandChigger wrote:Hmmm....
Well, I just ordered the book from Amazon, if that says anything.
(All this time, I had no idea who or what Nekhrun's avatar was. How sad, wot?)
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I keep meaning to make a better scan of Rorschach and PM it to Nekrun. It should better. I got the Absolute Watchmen book as well, with the large paneling and improved coloring.
*makes mental note to do it after work today*
*makes mental note to do it after work today*
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I keep telling myself that.Freakzilla wrote:You're not alone.
Especially when I think I am. [looks back over shoulder]
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has anyone seen this episode of the simpsons with Alan Moore:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Husbands_and_Knives ?
I'll have to see if I can download it.
I like this especially
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Husbands_and_Knives ?
I'll have to see if I can download it.
I like this especially
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you can... http://watchthesimpsonsonline.com/
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Here you go Nekhrun, a nice big version of Rorschach, in a new scan and color balanced (picture is 21.96 kb, so you can upload it to the boards and stay under the 24 kb limit).
Enjoy
Enjoy
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I think I've seen them all.SimonH wrote:has anyone seen this episode of the simpsons with Alan Moore:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Husbands_and_Knives ?
I'll have to see if I can download it.
I like this especially
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What IS this thing? (No, DON'T tell me! )
It's seriously hot, whatever it is.
I keep wondering if I can model it in Cheetah3D....
It's seriously hot, whatever it is.
I keep wondering if I can model it in Cheetah3D....
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Its a lovely, lovely snowflake, and inside it are unicorns and fairy princesses.SandChigger wrote:What IS this thing? (No, DON'T tell me! )
It's seriously hot, whatever it is.
I keep wondering if I can model it in Cheetah3D....
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Looks good, guys.
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Why Nekhrun, you look absolutely smashing
Not sure about the new book. Does Watchmen really need a graphic novel companion? Perhaps it does, but how much material is really inside it? I've read mixed reviews and I'm not convinced I'd get all that much out of the new "Watching the Watchmen" book.
Besides, I already own the Absolute Watchmen, a large format hardcover version of the original graphic novel. In addition to the graphic novel itself (which has been given a subtle, but amazing coloring update), the Absolute Watchmen contains an additional 48 pages of interviews, storyboards and concept art. So after having all that, I'm not sure I'd get much more out of a companion book.
Not sure about the new book. Does Watchmen really need a graphic novel companion? Perhaps it does, but how much material is really inside it? I've read mixed reviews and I'm not convinced I'd get all that much out of the new "Watching the Watchmen" book.
Besides, I already own the Absolute Watchmen, a large format hardcover version of the original graphic novel. In addition to the graphic novel itself (which has been given a subtle, but amazing coloring update), the Absolute Watchmen contains an additional 48 pages of interviews, storyboards and concept art. So after having all that, I'm not sure I'd get much more out of a companion book.
"What are we to call him, this Player of Games?"
"The books of Kevin J Anderson and Brian Herbert lie in a realm of uncertainty between self-conscious absurdity and genuine failure"
"The books of Kevin J Anderson and Brian Herbert lie in a realm of uncertainty between self-conscious absurdity and genuine failure"
A copy of Absolute Watchmen is going to arrive in my hands this christmas, i was hoping they would release a likewise special edition of V for Vendetta.
Do any of you know other really good graphic novels done by other authors? No use saying Hellblaser cause i'm already on that one.
Do any of you know other really good graphic novels done by other authors? No use saying Hellblaser cause i'm already on that one.
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There are some "Absolute" releases of some of the Sandman volumes as well.Seraphan wrote:A copy of Absolute Watchmen is going to arrive in my hands this christmas, i was hoping they would release a likewise special edition of V for Vendetta.
Do any of you know other really good graphic novels done by other authors? No use saying Hellblaser cause i'm already on that one.
http://www.forbiddenplanet.co.uk/index. ... s_id=49349
Oh Yeah Baby!
"Along with Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns V is often held to be one of the 'holy trinity' of modern, graphic novels which re-invented the medium for a mature, adult audience. Written as a response to the right wing politics of the 1980s it remains extremely powerful - Moore's story of a political anarchist, Codename V, portrayed by David Lloyd as a cloaked man in a Guy Fawkes mask attacking a totalitarian, fascist British state may be set in the 80s, but it speaks of oppression and the fight for personal and societal freedom in any era and culture.
We're still waiting on full details for this edition, but we expect it to be given the normal Absolute treatment by DC, so oversized pages which let you drink in carefully restored artwork, plenty of extras included and a slipcase to hold the huge hardback volume. I think a lot of us will want to replace our existing copies of V with this when it becomes available.
DC, hardback with slipcase, 296 pages, published August 2009"
Oh Yeah Baby!
"Along with Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns V is often held to be one of the 'holy trinity' of modern, graphic novels which re-invented the medium for a mature, adult audience. Written as a response to the right wing politics of the 1980s it remains extremely powerful - Moore's story of a political anarchist, Codename V, portrayed by David Lloyd as a cloaked man in a Guy Fawkes mask attacking a totalitarian, fascist British state may be set in the 80s, but it speaks of oppression and the fight for personal and societal freedom in any era and culture.
We're still waiting on full details for this edition, but we expect it to be given the normal Absolute treatment by DC, so oversized pages which let you drink in carefully restored artwork, plenty of extras included and a slipcase to hold the huge hardback volume. I think a lot of us will want to replace our existing copies of V with this when it becomes available.
DC, hardback with slipcase, 296 pages, published August 2009"
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The Absolute edition of Watchmen is absolutely worth it.
But since the concept of these Absolute editions has caught on with a market, I'd be careful. Judge each version on it's own merits; read reviews for them first. Some Absolute editions might be as good or better than the Watchmen version. Others might not be worth it at all.
But since the concept of these Absolute editions has caught on with a market, I'd be careful. Judge each version on it's own merits; read reviews for them first. Some Absolute editions might be as good or better than the Watchmen version. Others might not be worth it at all.
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I just recently read The Walking Dead vol 1 and From Hell. No colors, but the editions I read were nice enough. The Walking Dead was a nice hardback, and From Hell was a trade paper.
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Am almost halfway through. Quite enjoying the contrast between the graphic and prose sections.
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I liked that too. Reminiscent of Dos Passos style, with all the extra-textual stuff. Like Gateway too.SandChigger wrote:Am almost halfway through. Quite enjoying the contrast between the graphic and prose sections.
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Haven't seen that on the tube yet...
Meh. I prefer the earlier English one with the Smashing Bumpkins.
Meh. I prefer the earlier English one with the Smashing Bumpkins.
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Quite a few new scenes in that trailer that we've not seen anywhere else. It gives the impression the film is a lot more political than we were lead to believe based on the original trailers. That's good news, to my mind.
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Noticed that. The extra scenes, I mean.
You're looking beyond the trailer to the film. I'm just judging the trailers per se. Generally the Japanese try to achieve an "atmosphere" that usually pisses me off...
You're looking beyond the trailer to the film. I'm just judging the trailers per se. Generally the Japanese try to achieve an "atmosphere" that usually pisses me off...
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For once, it appears some informative details about the Watchmen controversy have surfaced.
http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/2008-12-6-m ... -producers
http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/2008-12-6-m ... -producers
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Good news; WB and Fox have reached an agreement.
http://www.variety.com/article/VR111799 ... id=13&cs=1
Now, onto the more important issue: is the film actually any good?
http://www.variety.com/article/VR111799 ... id=13&cs=1
Now, onto the more important issue: is the film actually any good?
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Alan Moore being Alan Moore about comic book movies
http://www.totalfilm.com/features/exclu ... ook-movies
A very brief but funny read
http://www.totalfilm.com/features/exclu ... ook-movies
A very brief but funny read
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America has an inordinate fondness for the unfair fight.
That’s why I believe guns are so popular in America – because you can ambush people, you can shoot them in the back, you can behave in a very cowardly fashion. Friendly fire, or as we call it everywhere else in the world, American fire.
That's why we call the gun "the Great Equalizer". 'Cause any fuck with a finger can kill.
But we're so afraid of our own fucking government that we're willing to pay the price.
Ahem. I don't feel so much like laughing any more.
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I've not seen it as it hasn't been released as of yet, and yes I think it could be worth your buck but YMMV of course. Are these trick questions?
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I was. Untill you askedSandChigger wrote:And are you certain?
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hasn't it been released in the states yet? In Australia we get movies so late that we haven't even seen half of the movies nominated in the academy awards.... We get Watchmen in less than a month. I assumed everyone else had already seen itinhuien wrote:I've not seen it as it hasn't been released as of yet, and yes I think it could be worth your buck but YMMV of course. Are these trick questions?
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Its one of those biggies that gets released the world 'round on a single day.SimonH wrote:hasn't it been released in the states yet? In Australia we get movies so late that we haven't even seen half of the movies nominated in the academy awards.... We get Watchmen in less than a month. I assumed everyone else had already seen itinhuien wrote:I've not seen it as it hasn't been released as of yet, and yes I think it could be worth your buck but YMMV of course. Are these trick questions?
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I've heard that they've changed the ending somewhat. they better get that right, cause that's about 90% of the point of the book. I'll be fucking pissed if Hollywood changes it to make X evil all along and the good guys save the day.
If your looking for a good graphic novel read, try Bone by Jeff Smith. Its a delightful fantasy story. It's pretty long though, over 1300 pages. Its not a serious political read though.
if they do an Absolute V then they need to do it in black and white like the original comic version. V for Vendetta is probably my favorite read.
You can't go wrong with Dark Knight Returns. Even if you don't like superhero comics that one is worth it. If you like Batman then you have to read the new Batman All-Stars. It portrays Batman as not just conflicted but actually maniac-level insane.
If your looking for a good graphic novel read, try Bone by Jeff Smith. Its a delightful fantasy story. It's pretty long though, over 1300 pages. Its not a serious political read though.
if they do an Absolute V then they need to do it in black and white like the original comic version. V for Vendetta is probably my favorite read.
You can't go wrong with Dark Knight Returns. Even if you don't like superhero comics that one is worth it. If you like Batman then you have to read the new Batman All-Stars. It portrays Batman as not just conflicted but actually maniac-level insane.
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well this should prove interesting. of course they changed the ending to make it have a more 'global' impact while simultaneously pulling out the keystone which makes the whole damn story fall apart.
ugh, wtf. It was bad enough when they made Evey and V fall in love but this? I wont give any spoilers away. lets just say the new ending absolutely makes no sense.
ugh, wtf. It was bad enough when they made Evey and V fall in love but this? I wont give any spoilers away. lets just say the new ending absolutely makes no sense.
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Thanks for the suggestions Ampoliros, will check.
Can you tell me what ending is that, through PM, please. I didnt plan on watching the movie anyway, just wanna know what fuck up they came up with.
Can you tell me what ending is that, through PM, please. I didnt plan on watching the movie anyway, just wanna know what fuck up they came up with.
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Release date schedule for Watchmen
Belgium 4 March 2009
France 4 March 2009
Argentina 5 March 2009
Australia 5 March 2009
Chile 5 March 2009
Czech Republic 5 March 2009
Germany 5 March 2009
Hungary 5 March 2009
Israel 5 March 2009
Netherlands 5 March 2009
New Zealand 5 March 2009
Portugal 5 March 2009
Russia 5 March 2009
Singapore 5 March 2009
Thailand 5 March 2009
Austria 6 March 2009
Brazil 6 March 2009
Finland 6 March 2009
Indonesia 6 March 2009
Italy 6 March 2009
Latvia 6 March 2009
Mexico 6 March 2009
Norway 6 March 2009
Poland 6 March 2009
Romania 6 March 2009
South Korea 6 March 2009
Spain 6 March 2009
Turkey 6 March 2009
UK 6 March 2009
USA 6 March 2009
Egypt 11 March 2009
Greece 12 March 2009
Hong Kong 12 March 2009
Estonia 13 March 2009
Iceland 13 March 2009
Sweden 13 March 2009
Croatia 19 March 2009
Slovenia 19 March 2009
Denmark 20 March 2009
Japan 28 March 2009
Belgium 4 March 2009
France 4 March 2009
Argentina 5 March 2009
Australia 5 March 2009
Chile 5 March 2009
Czech Republic 5 March 2009
Germany 5 March 2009
Hungary 5 March 2009
Israel 5 March 2009
Netherlands 5 March 2009
New Zealand 5 March 2009
Portugal 5 March 2009
Russia 5 March 2009
Singapore 5 March 2009
Thailand 5 March 2009
Austria 6 March 2009
Brazil 6 March 2009
Finland 6 March 2009
Indonesia 6 March 2009
Italy 6 March 2009
Latvia 6 March 2009
Mexico 6 March 2009
Norway 6 March 2009
Poland 6 March 2009
Romania 6 March 2009
South Korea 6 March 2009
Spain 6 March 2009
Turkey 6 March 2009
UK 6 March 2009
USA 6 March 2009
Egypt 11 March 2009
Greece 12 March 2009
Hong Kong 12 March 2009
Estonia 13 March 2009
Iceland 13 March 2009
Sweden 13 March 2009
Croatia 19 March 2009
Slovenia 19 March 2009
Denmark 20 March 2009
Japan 28 March 2009
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I'll be sure to tell you how it ends.SandChigger wrote:March 28?!
WTF.
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So anyone seen it yet? Was it any good? Na spoilers.
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Just got home from doing an employee showing of watchmen.
It was decent to spot on to good and then the ending was disappointing. It is worth seeing, I found myself enjoying the soundtrack.
I advise you try to look at it without a post 9-11 lens, if you possibly can do so.
Rob
It was decent to spot on to good and then the ending was disappointing. It is worth seeing, I found myself enjoying the soundtrack.
I advise you try to look at it without a post 9-11 lens, if you possibly can do so.
Rob
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So rob, having seen the ending, would you agree that it takes the unifying threat that **** was looking for and throws it out the window? That Synder replaces it with a WTF how does that unite us moment that would be more likely to escalate WWIII?
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I'm two issues into re-reading Watchmen, as a refresher before I go into the film. The reviews are quite divided, but it's hard to say whether it is a "fanboys vs. everyone else" kind of divide or a "this is not an easily accessible film" kind of divide. The former worries me, the latter is encouraging me
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Yes, compared to the rest of the movie the ending is very weak.Ampoliros wrote:So rob, having seen the ending, would you agree that it takes the unifying threat that **** was looking for and throws it out the window? That Synder replaces it with a WTF how does that unite us moment that would be more likely to escalate WWIII?
It is watchable and overall I feel that the decisions made were for the most part on target in order to tell the story as a movie. Too bad they went off the cliff with the ending.
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Too bad. Sounds like they threw out the one thing that would have made the movie different from all the other crap out there.
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I'm worried they might have thought the original ending was too cheesy. I have to rant about this though because if the entire point of the film was to make it as true to the novel as possible, why would you change the lynch-pin of several major plot-lines. The weirdness of the ending is what makes it important and what makes it work. The ending they replaced it with does nothing to stop the progress of war, and imho would actually escalate it.
Anyhoo I'm off to see it with friends. so look for a 4am rant-review.
Anyhoo I'm off to see it with friends. so look for a 4am rant-review.
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Let's hope its drunken!
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Thanks for that gentlemen, I hope to catch it next weekend with a few yahoos.
Look, I'm not much good at big speeches, and I know I haven't always been an easy guy to get on with, and I know, that given the choice, I wouldn't have chosen you as friends, but I just want to say, that over the years, I have come to regard you as people I met.
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Here's a link to last nights BBC2 show The Culture Show Uncut, 2008/2009 - Episode 27, I caught the last 10 minutes or so and there was an interview/discussion with Grand Wizard Alan Moore, I'm hoping it lasts a lot longer. Please accept my apologies if you are unable to view it as the site may restrict non UK IP's but that said I'm on orange whom IIRC are on a USA IP/domain and it’s loading for me fine.
edit to add
The interview starts at the 28 minute mark, but you can just drag the slider and it’ll seek quite nicely for you.
edit to add
The interview starts at the 28 minute mark, but you can just drag the slider and it’ll seek quite nicely for you.
Look, I'm not much good at big speeches, and I know I haven't always been an easy guy to get on with, and I know, that given the choice, I wouldn't have chosen you as friends, but I just want to say, that over the years, I have come to regard you as people I met.
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well i got home and the street work outside had severed my broadband, those sob's are lucky it happened after Battlestar....
here it is. it's not drunk, on alcohol. warning, nerd rage might be encountered! http://www.jacurutu.com/viewtopic.php?t=1241
here it is. it's not drunk, on alcohol. warning, nerd rage might be encountered! http://www.jacurutu.com/viewtopic.php?t=1241
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Um ... this is turning out to be an advertising non-event.GamePlayer wrote:Release date schedule for Watchmen
Japan 28 March 2009
Caught the first and only ad I've seen for the movie last night. (That's on my satellite channels, not the regular ground stations.) It was a fairly boring commercial as well. (My favorite trailer is still the one with the Smashing Pumpkins song. )
It won't be showing in the shit theater in town here, so if I'm going to see it in a theater, l'm going to have to travel a bit. There's a mall with a multiplex down in "Work City", so maybe after work one night.
If it's showing there.
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I haven't seen a commercial for it yet.
Entertainment Weekly (bathroom reading at my part-time second job) is pumped about it, though. Read their articles on it if you're a fan. From what they say, the adaptation is faithfull but for a few minor changes.
Entertainment Weekly (bathroom reading at my part-time second job) is pumped about it, though. Read their articles on it if you're a fan. From what they say, the adaptation is faithfull but for a few minor changes.
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Watchmen was okay. Like I posted on Jacurutu, it was good but not great. There are problems with it, too many to ignore. Watchmen works well because it's so different for a comic book movie, but in several ways, the poor acting and script fall into Hollywood cliche. I can't give it more than 3 out of 5.
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I guess I'm just confused by the difference in hype level.
Ads for that Klaateanu piece of shit last year ran on the hour for a week or two before its release. I've still only seen one Watchmen ad.
(I think a lot of my satellite channels are Fox affiliates. Maybe that has something to do with it....)
Ads for that Klaateanu piece of shit last year ran on the hour for a week or two before its release. I've still only seen one Watchmen ad.
(I think a lot of my satellite channels are Fox affiliates. Maybe that has something to do with it....)
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Re: Watchmen
Watchmen. Tomorrow. London. IMAX
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Re: Watchmen
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Fucking massive. Film weren't bad either
Admittedly not perfect, it is cliche and the original is an unfilmable classic etc etc..., but I thought it was a pretty decent and faithful adaptation and a very watchable film - it flew by. The casting was cock on too. It's way better than 3/5 - that's brutal . Looking forward to the extended cut though.
Fucking massive. Film weren't bad either
Admittedly not perfect, it is cliche and the original is an unfilmable classic etc etc..., but I thought it was a pretty decent and faithful adaptation and a very watchable film - it flew by. The casting was cock on too. It's way better than 3/5 - that's brutal . Looking forward to the extended cut though.
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As a minimum, we must demand from SF that it be wiser than the world it speaks to.
--Darko Suvin; On the Poetics of the Science Fiction Genre
As a minimum, we must demand from SF that it be wiser than the world it speaks to.
--Darko Suvin; On the Poetics of the Science Fiction Genre