Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

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Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Omphalos » Sat Nov 03, 2007 11:51 pm

Here are some of the secondary sources that I am aware of for Dune, by Frank Herbert. It includes the books, theses and dissertations. There are also URL links for some of the more interesting sources on the web I am aware of, with brief descriptions of what is linked to. Please feel free to add to this if you know of any sources that are not listed here. I have done my best to give a sense of order to this material, but I apologize now if it seems disorganized. This seems best to me for the electronic medium, though.

NOTE: To make it easier to get the list started, I only put the most important cites, and deliberately did not include smaller works that are cited within them. So have fun mining all of these! I certainly did! One day I plan on having everything listed and linked, so please check back occasionally.

Finally, I have a TON of stuff in print, unbound, with no URL, that I have copied from a variety of sources over the years. One day I will catalogue it all and post it. I had some fun getting this stuff all together, so maybe Ill get motivated to do it soon.



BOOKS

Allen, L. David, Cliffsnotes Dune and other Works. 1972, Cliffs Notes, ISBN 0822004194.

Ben-Tov, Sharona, The Artificial Paradise: Science Fiction and American Reality. Collected in Studies in Literature and Science. Ann Arbor: The University of Michigan Press, 1995, ISBN 0472105809. This item is reviewed here.

Grazier, Kevin, The Science of Dune: An Unauthorized Exploration into the Real Science behind Frank Herbert's Fictional Universe. 2008, Benbella Books, ISBN 1933771283.

Hassler, Donald M. (editor) and Clyde Wilcox, Political Science Fiction. 1996, University of South Carolina Press, ISBN 1570031134. This broad work discusses some of Herbert's ideas, but is not focused on Dune or FH in particular.

Herbert, Brian, Dreamer of Dune: The Biography of Frank Herbert, 2004, TOR Books, New York, ISBN 0765306476.

Herbert, Herbert & Anderson, The Road to Dune. 2005, TOR Books, New York, ISBN 0765353709.

Herbert, Frank, edited by Brian Herbert, Songs of Muad'dib. 1992, Ace Trade Books, New York, ISBN 044177427X. (This is a book of poetry and songs taken, I believe, from the Dune works as well as from the notes of Herbert, and published after his death by his son, Brian).

Herbert, Frank, edited by Brian Herbert, The Notebooks of Frank Herbert's Dune. 1988. Perigree Trade Books. Note: I have also seen the name Jaramillo Raquel associated with this work as an editor. (This book is a collection of Frank Herbert's more sage and well known pearls, including various epigraphs, the Litany Against Fear, etc).

Herbert, Frank and SparkNotes editors, SparkNotes Dune. 2003, SparkNotes, ISBN 1586635107. This series is a competitor of Cliff's Notes. An electronic copy can be found here.

Levack, Daniel (with annotations by Willard, Mark), Dune Master: A Frank Herbert Bibliography. 1988, Meckler Publishing, Westport, Conn. ISBN not printed on item. (This is a commercial bibliography, and is reviewed here

Miller, David M., Frank Herbert, Starmont Readers Guide 5. 1980, Starmont House, Mercer Island, WA ISBN 0-916732-16-9. This item is reviewed here.

McNelly, Willis (ed.), Dune Encyclopedia. Berkely Books, New York, 1984, ISBN 0425068137. A PDF can be found here (please allow time for this large document to load).

Naha, Ed, The Making of Dune. Berkely Trade paperback, 1984. This work is a movie tie-in with the Lynch film.

O'Reilly, Tim, Frank Herbert. 1981, Frederick Unger Publishing, New York ISBN 080442666X. Its available in ebook form here.. This item is reviewed here.

O'Reilly, Tim (ed.), Frank Herbert: The Maker of Dune: Insights of a Master of Science Fiction. 1987, Berkely, New York, ISBN 0425097854.

Palumbo, Donald E., Chaos Theory, Asimov's Foundations and Robots and Herbert's Dune: The Fractal Aesthetic of Epic Science Fiction. 2003, Greenwood Press, ISBN 0313311897. Here is a link to buy the article excerpt from a site that archives Extrapolation magazine.

Prosser, Harold Lee, Frank Herbert: Prophet of Dune. 1998, Borgo Press, ISBN 0893702196. UPDATE - 01/04/2010: I have located Lee Prosser. He confirmed that Borgo folded before it published his book, but it may exist in manuscript form still. This was never published under any other title, whole or in part. I don't rightly think that this should be classified as a phantom, since it was actually written and turned in, was worked on, and may still exist in some form, so I'll leave this entry up. Per Mr. Prosser parts of it, along with some other items he generated during its writing, including letters from FH, may have been damaged in a flood. UPDATE - 05/14/2010: Here is a copy of the complete manuscript, sans interview and letters. One day those may turn up, but for now, please enjoy the book. My thanks to the author, Lee Prosser, who kindly gave me permission to post a copy of his long lost manuscript, which now is no longer a phantom.

Siegel, Mark R., Gernsback, Hugo, Father of Modern Science Fiction: With Essays on Frank Herbert & Bram Stoker, 1988. Borgo Press, ISBN 0893702749

Stephensen-Payne, Phil, Frank Herbert: A Voice from the Desert. Date unknown, Galactic Central Publishing, ISBN 1871133270 (this is a commercial bibliography only).

Touponce, William F, Frank Herbert. 1988, Twayne Publishers ISBN 0805775145. Here is a link to an electronic copy of Touponce's resume.

Van Hise, James and Michael D. Messina, The Secrets of Frank Herbert's Dune. 2000, I Books, ISBN 074340730X. This is a book and a DVD about the making of the first miniseries.

Weedman, Jane Branham, Women Worldwalkers: New Dimensions of Science Fiction and Fantasy (Comparative Literature). 1986, Texas Tech University Press, (ISBN 0896721337), including Miriam Youngerman Miller's Women of Dune: Frank Herbert as Social Reactionary, p. 181. This book is not about FH or Dune in particular, but does discuss some of the feminist virtues and shortfalls of the Dune books.



BOOKS TO BE PUBLISHED

There is also rumored to be a book coming out next year by LegendMaker Scriptoria that is apparently titled The Synopsis Treasury of Science Fiction & Fantasy, which will include letters that Frank Herbert exchanged with Damon Knight in the 1960's. I have no other information on this book right now, as the publisher will not return my e-mails, and it is not yet listed on thier website. UPDATE: I have spoken to the author, C.S. Haviland, and he has indeed confirmed that this book will include items from FH's estate, including correspondence between Herbert and Knight. This is going to be a huge book that includes synopses and story pitches from the following authors: H. G. Wells, Robert A. Heinlein, Andre Norton, Jack Williamson, Frederik Pohl, Ben Bova, Terry Brooks, Piers Anthony, Orson Scott Card, David Brin, Connie Willis, David Drake, L. E. Modesitt, Kevin J. Anderson (arg!), Joe Haldeman, Sara Douglass, and various others. According to Haviland he is gathering various permissions from agents for the following who may be included in the book: Isaac Asimov, E. E. "Doc" Smith, Arthur C. Clarke, Jack Vance, Robert Silverberg, Keith Laumer, Roger Zelazny, Brian W. Aldiss, Philip K. Dick, Poul Anderson, Kurt Vonnegut Jr. , Chad Oliver, John Brunner, James Blish, Harry Harrison, Gordon R. Dickson, Philip Jose Farmer, and others. He plans on publishing this year, but is having trouble getting agents to respond to him, and is still shopping for a publisher. Ill let you know if this comes out.




DERIVATIVE WORKS

Barlowe, Wayne Douglas, Ian Summers & Beth Meacham, Barlowe's Guide to Extraterrestrials: Great Aliens from Science Fiction Literature. 1978, Workman Publishing Company, ISBN 0894803247. Contains a drawing and a very brief description of a Guild Steersman.

Silerman, Maida and Frank Herbert, illustrated by Daniel Kirk, Dune Pop-Up Panorama Book. 1984, Grosset & Dunlap, ISBN unknown.

Vinge, Joan D., The Dune Storybook. 1984, Putnam Children's Books, ISBN 0399129499. This is a children's adaptation of the 1984 movie, but I have read somewhere that FH was involved in the production of this book. I have not yet confirmed whether or not Vinge is the author of The Snow Queen, a SF masterpiece novel that has been compared in complexity to Dune many times by many different critics.

Weiner, Ellis, Doon. 1984, Pocket Books, ISBN 0671541447.



COMIC BOOKS

Dune Comic Book, 1985, Berkely, ISBN 0425076237.

Macchio, Ralph & Frank Herbert, Illustrated by Bill Sienkiewicz, Dune, The Offical Comic Book. 1984, Marvel Comics, ISBN unknown. Three issue adaptation of the 1984 film.



THESES & DISSERTATION

Brown, Michael D., Welcome Bedfellows: Science Fiction Texts and their Cinematic Adaptations (Frank Herbert, Philip K. Dick, David Lynch, Ridley Scott), 1978, Utah State University.

Estopy, Tai, The Fair Sex?: A Look at Gender Issues in Frank Herbert's Dune Trilogy." Fulbright College, 2004.

Gass, Louise Horchler, Leadership in Frank Herbert's Dune. I know nothing more about this piece, but suspect it is either a master's thesis or dissertation. I am constantly on the lookout for this work.

Knezkova, Klara, Frank Herbert's Heroines: Female Characters in Dune and Its Film Adaptations, Masaryk University, Brno (Czech Republic), 2007.

Luton, Lawrence S., Political Philosophies of Dune, Claremont Graduate School, 1979.

Otto, Eric, Speculating a Sustainable Future: Science Fiction and the Pedagogy of Ecological Literacy, University of Florida, 2002.

Schreiber, John F., Shape of the Hero in Modern Epic Fantasy, The: A Comparative Analysis of the Dune Series, The Lord of the Rings & the Covenant Trilogy (Herbert, Tolkien & Donaldson), 1983, Mankato SU (University).

Silliman, Barbara, Conserving the Balance: Frank Herbert's Dune as Propaganda, 1996, University of Rhode Island. This item is available on line for a fee here.

Smith, Mary Ronella, Dune: More than Genre Fiction, 1992, East Carolina University.

Winzenz, Judith, Messiah and the Bible in Frank Herbert's Dune, Date unknown, University of Wisconsin, Oshkosh.



SCHOLARLY ARTICLES

Science Fiction Studies has lots of articles on both Frank Herbert and the Dune series, and their search engine is not half-bad.

Bogle, Bob R., Frank Herbert, The Works, an attempt at a biography culled from a variety of sources.

Brennan, Kristen. This is an interesting take on FH as Lucas' muse. Unfortunately, this site has gone away. I think that the author is trying to publish. Until her book comes out, hereis a link to a cached version. EDIT: There still is not a book published, but someone has swiped the FH page alone. It can be found here. I also recently found a link to the whole thing again. Its mostly about the use of myth in Star Wars, but as her theory is that Dune was a huge source for Lucas, there is plenty on Dune on these pages.

Daniels, Joseph M., The stars and planets of Frank Herbert's Dune: A Gazetteer, 1999, Dune Italia.

DiTommaso, Lorenzo, History and Historical Effect in Frank Herbert's Dune from SFS.

Engleson, Mark J., Heros and Society in Dune.

Gough, Noel, Speculative Fictions for Understanding Global Change Environments, Two Thought Experiments, Managing Global Transitions, Vol. 1, No. 1, Spring, 2003. Deakin University, Victoria, Australia.

Gough, Noel, Democracy, global transitions, and education: using speculative fictions as thought experiments in anticipatory critical inquiry, Deakin University, Victoria, Australia.

Grigsby, John L. Herbert's Reversal of Asimov's Vision Reassessed: Foundation's Edge and God Emperor of Dune (abstract), Science Fiction Studies, Vol 11, number 33.

Kimmel, Leigh, Decentralization of Political Structures Beyond the Planetary Level in Dune and Left Hand of Darkness, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, 1986 (undergrad).

Kucera, Paul Q. Listening to Ourselves: Herbert’s Dune, “the Voice,” and Performing the Absolute, Extrapolation Vol 42 Issue 3 (2001): pp 232-234.

McLean, Susan A Psychological Approach to Fantasy in the Dune Series, 23 Extrapolation 150 (Summer 1982).

Morton, Timothy, Imperial Measures: Dune, Ecology and Romantic Consumerism.

Mulchay, Kevin, The Prince on Arrakis: Frank Herbert's Dialogue with Machiavelli. Pay-site.

Mullins, Seth, Reversal of the Hero Myth in Frank Herbert's Dune Series, January 10, 2007.

Parkerson, Ronny W et al, Semantics, General Semantics, and Ecology in Frank Herbert’s Dune, Concord Vol 55 Issue 3 (1998): pp 317-329. Here is a link to where this article may be purchased inexpensively.

Pierrehumbert, R. T., Science Fiction Atmospheres, The University of Chicago, October 11, 2005.

Schaeffer, George, Dune: The Messiah as Corruptor, 1993.

Sherry, Andrew, Politics and Religion in Frank Herbert's Dune.

Stratton, Susan, The Messiah and the Greens: The Shape of Environment Action in Dune and Pacific Edge, Extrapolation Vol 42 Issue 4 (2001): pp 303-316. Pay-site.

van Leeuwen, Marco, The Ecology of the Dune Saga. I am not sure if this was ever published anywhere other than alt.fan.dune, but Mr. van Leeuwen's homepage can be found here.

Williams, Kevin, Imperialism & Globalization: Lessons from Frank Herbert's Dune, date and source unknown.

Zap, Johnathan, A Few Thoughts on Mind Parasites. There are different versions of this article floating around out there.



ITEMS BY HERBERT ABOUT DUNE

Dune Genesis article.



INTERVIEWS

Turner and MacKenzie interviews, more commonly known as the Vertex Interviews.

The Plowboy Interview.

McNelly interview. The missing page, p. 32, can be found here

Link to a TV interview on Dune Italia.

Taped interview of FH and David Lynch. I am unable to find this item on Amazon, even with the ISBN. However, I just bought this on eBay, and will update this link with information once I've received it and listened to it.

Interview noted to be in Issue #9 of Science Fiction: A Review of Speculative Fiction Magazine. I have never read this interview, and I have never before now heard of this Australian magazine. I have sent a note to the editor asking for an electronic or photocopy. If anyone out there has this issue, would you please PM me? UPDATE: Here is the text of the interview.

Very brief article on an interview with Lurton Blasingame, FH's agent.

You Tube interview clip.

Henderson, Chris. Frank Herbert: From the Otherworldly Visions of 'Dune' to the Terrestrial Holocaust of 'The White Plague, Starlog Magazine, January, 1983, Vol. 6, number 66, pp. 24-26.



FAN SITES

This is definitely the go to site for Dune converstation these days. Anyone may join, the rules are few, and the company is great. Give this one a try first, then go on to others.

A fan blog that tracks the 2010 Dune film's press releases, hosts a links archive and hosts the most excellent Dune font.

House Atreides' new home. Older posts are still archived on the old board, which can be found here.

Arrakeen: Formerly was one of the more popular fan posting sites. Has become overmoderated, and the boardware is seriously out of date.

DunePedia, a newish Dune Wiki.

FED2K is primarily a computer gaming forum, but it centers around the various Dune games and has other non-gaming sections.

Alt.Dune.Fan: Very active at times.

The Landsraad: Mixed content from the books (new and old) as well as the movies and mini-series.

Dune Behind the Scenes: Interesting site with a very different theme.

Dune Wiki

Dune Universe at the Wikipedia:

Cave of Birds:

Dune Oddessey Apparently no longer moderated or maintained.

The Fish Speaker: Site is no longer maintained, but a link to the archives is on the main page.



RECORDED MEDIA

Children of Dune miniseries soundtrack.

Dune miniseries soundtrack.

1984 Dune music score.

1984 Dune soundtrack.

Dave Matthews' (no, not that Dave Matthews) musical interpretation of Frank Herbert's Dune.



ART

Fan art page.



CONTRIBUTIONS TO SCIENCE AND INDUSTRY

Article about regrowing body parts.

This is not from Dune, but with his earlier novel Dragon Under the Sea, Herbert influenced the invention of the Dracone Barge.



PRODUCTS

Dune inspired contact lenses.

Dune inspired ring.

Dune models.

The Dune font.




TEACHING AIDS

A high school literature class for teaching Frank Herbert's Dune complete with discussion boards, assignments and quizzes, hosted on Moodleshare.org.

University of Chicago list of talking points.



PHOTOS

Photographs of Herbert from his days teaching at UW.



NON-COMMERCIAL BIBLIOGRAPHIES

Arrakis

Answers

ISFDB

Fantastic Fiction

Periodical indecies by magazine:



FANFIC

Dune 7: Advent.

Dune Revenant.

Elixir.

The Pearls of Poitirin.

I, Scytale.



eBOOKS

Eye. This book has a Dune tale in it by FH, A Walking Tour of Arrakeen.

Pretty much anything you ever wanted can be got here.

Virtual Library link to Erewhon, by Samuel Butler, which some credit as FH's inspiration for the notion of the Bulterian Jihad (this is still in print, but is in the public domain now):



GAMING

Arrakis Awakening. Try this one first, as it seems to be pretty active.

The Butlerian Jihad. This one doesnt seem to be very active.

Dune RPG. Very detailed and through.

Dune PBEM: This one seems to be hopping.

Frank Herbert's Dune RPG, by Avalon Hill

Another Dune paper and dice RPG, based on the TWURPS system.

Web based archive of various Dune computer games.

Dune board game.

Dune Generations. I don't think this one ever made it to market.

Wikipedia summary of available PC games.



OTHER SITES OF INTEREST

Great blog on the origins of Chakobsa.

Dune pronounciations

Islamic & Arabic themes in FH's work

Spinrad's take on Dune

Here is a link to the Frank Herbert archives] at UC Fullerton. This is not the website of the special collections library. Rather it is a listing of what is held by the library in the FH special collection.

Interesting amatuer analysis of Dune 7

College English class paper on Dune.

Another High School paper on Dune and Transcendentalism.

eNotes article about Dune. I think you have to pay for the bulk of this.

Superstring01's take on the Golden Path.

Web based thread about radical Islamism in Dune.

Touching article by Byron Merritt, about his grandfather and the safety-deposit boxes.

NNDB entry for FH.

Important Dune review by Nicholas Whyte.

Mostly non-fiction articles, plus Frank's one published (epic length) poem, Carthag, Reflections of a Martian Dream.

Other recordings by FH.

Dune FAQ

Vonda McIntyre's recollection of her friend, FH.

Odd Wicca site about the genesis of the names Teg and Twylyth.

McNelly tribute site, with lots of links to info from the Dune Encyclopedia. Because this site keeps disappearing and reappearing, here is a cached version.

Dune v. Dune (Book vs. Movie).

This link is to the sales site for a Chakobsa Lanugage package. McNelly supposedly had something with this project.

McNelly's eulogy of Frank Herbert.

Web article on biology and sociology that mentions Herbert, and provides an interesting bibliography on its topic.

Online attempt to start up a virtual Sietch. This looks to be philanthropic in nature.

Dune parody.

Dune essays by the guy who wrote two long length fanfic pieces, Elixir and The Pearls of Poitrin.

List of film and gaming magazines with Dune film content. I don't see any book information here, though I suspect that there may be some interviews hidden here.

Fan essay on Fremen sexuality.

Non-Dune articles and essays by Frank Herbert.

Ansible article by Joesph Nichols recounting a story involving Frank Herbert and his love for wine.

Florence, Oregon local newspaper article with the details of Penny Merritt's bequest of Frank Herbert's personal library to the Florence Public Library. Here is a link to the library itself.

Dune Fan Film Petition. Please visit this site and sign this petition. In August, 2007 the HLP voted to send a cease and desist request to the citizens of Malaga, Spain. These people, all 150 of them are all Dune and FH fans, and have been working on a purely private film for the past 8 years. The film comprises the three novellas of Dune, and is approximately 8 hours in length. The trailer, while it lasted on You Tube, was very well done, especially for a fan effort. More information can be found here, and here. You may also find something useful here, but I can't bring myself to look there any longer.

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Postby Omphalos » Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:17 am

Dreamers of Dune is dead, so the following was removed:

Dreamers of Dune: A pretty ambitious and well conceived attempt to centralize web-based user resources. It offers e-mail, blogs, a wiki, and a discussion forum, and claims to have the largest Dune image gallery on the web. I don't know if that is true, but lots of the images there were obviously created with an eye towards detail. Note that this is the successor to the fanfic site listed below, but is going in a new direction. It has none of the content of that older site.


According to Irulan Corrino (who can still be found over on the Gholaforum), the site was "attacked and destroyed by malicious hackers." Apparently lots and lots of image files were lost, as she did not keep a back-up anywhere.
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Postby Omphalos » Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:12 am

Moved the Granger note




to the main book list as this item has shipped and is available now through Amazon.
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Postby Omphalos » Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:33 am

I hope that this is not too confusing. I went back to DN and cut out what I thought were the important comments about this list so far and moved them over here. Ill go back and clean the quotes up someday soon. Note that not everything has been moved, so as to make the job easier and eliminate things that I may appreciate, such as the many thanks I got from grateful users of this list, but didn't add to the content. If you want to see everything, here is the original URL.

http://www.dunenovels.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1774





Rymoah, 05/09/2007

I'd like to add these: :)

THESES & DISSERTATIONS
- Kevin Williams, "Imperialism & Globalization: Lessons from Frank Herbert's Dune";
- Joseph M. Daniels, "The stars and planets of Frank Herbert's Dune: A Gazetteer";
- Kevin Mulchay, "The Prince on Arrakis: Frank Herbert's Dialogue with Machiavelli";
-Susan Stratton, "The Messiah and the Greens: The Shape of Environment Action in Dune and Pacific Edge" ;

INTERVIEWS
- TV Interview to Frank Herbert;

Rymoah

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Omphalos, 05/09/2007

For anyone who is interested in building up a Dune reference library, I strongly reccomend that you start with Phil Stephensen-Payne's bibliography. It can be purchased from Abebooks in the UK. Phil usually gets those things out very quickly. If you want his e-mail address to talk to him, just let me know and Ill send it to you.

Phil's "book" (pamphlet, really) gives a complete a bibliography as I have ever seen, including all of the aritcles FH wrote (and there are a bunch!)

As for the dissertations, I have permission from three of the five authors to distribute copies freely, so let me know and if you are interested in reading them and I will scan them and send them to you by e-mail. One of the five I do not have permission for is Smith's, but that is available for I think $35 online, in PDF I believe. Im trying to reach the last one now.

Other than the books, the last stop you should make is the UC Fullerton special collections library. There they have a ton of FH stuff, most of which is referenced in Phil's bibliography, but not all. Unfortuntely, they do not copy and mail, but if you contact the special collections librarian at that university, she will happily send you a calalog of what is in the archive. Im thinking its time for a quest! EDIT: I have added a link to the archive document above.

Finally, there is a rumored spec book that was supposed to be published by Borgo Press, called Frank Herbert: Prophet of Dune (Vol. 14 in a series by Borgo), right before it went out of business. I think the author (Harold Prosser, who is very obscure) may be deceased, but I am trying to find the executor of his estate to find out what ever happened to the manuscript. Robert Reginald, the Borgo editor, says he thinks the author died. If I ever find it, I will do what I can to get permission to distribute it. Incidentally, in my searches for this author I have run across two publishers/editors who are currently planning on writing/compiling FH reference books. I keep in touch, and if either of those projects ever comes to fruition, I will be the first to let you know.

Some other confusing things you should know if you search online for any of these secondary sources:

1. the Stephensen-Payne bibliography is sometimes credited to Gordon Benson. Benson started it, then died, then Stephensen-Payne bought it, so Stephensen-Payne is the current author. Any work by Benson is out of date. Also, Stephensen-Payne has a US distributer named Cromm (or something like that) so if you see this bibliography credited to him, its the right one. Someone just screwed up. Cromm writes bibliographies with Stephensen-Payne, but he did not work in this one.

2. The Levack book has been published by Greenwood and by someone else (cant remember which publisher did the first edition). So if you see separate publishers, they are the same book. It can get confusing because one publisher credits Willard, and the other doesnt.

3. Underwood Books published a pictoral biography of FH some years ago, but I have never been able to find it. Someone told me once that it is one in the same as the Levack book, as in the Greenwood version there are pics of the books, but I cannot verify this. The long and the short of it is that if you see separate entries for these two books, and want to buy them both, know that they may be the same.

And lastly, a word of warning: Your wives will not be pleased with the "Frank Herbert Notebooks," that will start to squeeze her chick-lit to lower shelves in the bookcase! :wink:

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Rymoah, 05/09/2007

Omphalos wrote:
Rymoah wrote:-Susan Stratton, "The Messiah and the Greens: The Shape of Environment Action in Dune and Pacific Edge"


Do you have an URL for this, Rymoah?


Sorry, searching for the whole title with google didn't return me much, but I have just found this URL (it is a pay site just like that of Mulcahy's work):

http://direct.bl.uk/bld/PlaceOrder.do?U ... archengine

Rymoah

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Rymoah, 05/12/2007

Omphalos wrote:Updated to include Rymoah's Dune Italia stuff in the main article. Thanks a bunch, Rymoah!


Thank you again, Omphalos, for maintaining this list! :) Btw... Are you sure that Stephenson-Payne bibliography is available on Abebooks? Searching with the ISBN or the title didn't return me anything... Anyway, I've just mailed the author to ask information about it. :)

Rymoah

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Omphalos, 05/12/2007

Rymoah,

Try this:

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchR ... &prh=&prl=

Were you entering the dashes? Its best not to do that with search engines when looking for an ISBN.

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Rymoah, 05/12/2007

LOL sorry Omphalos I realised now that the ISBN you posted missed a "3". :D Moreover, the ISBN written on alt.fan.dune was completely different -- that's why I couldn't find the book.

I have received a mail from Stephenson-Payne (very kind person :)), and here is his answer:

Thanks for your enquiry.

The bibliography was never actually "published" by Borgo Press. It was published under my own imprint (Galactic Central Publications) and a small number were then bound for libraries by Borgo Press. I don't have any copies of the hardback (Borgo) version for sale, and nor does anybody else as Borgo went out of business years ago. However, the original paperbound version is permanently available from me.

Normally you could buy it through ABEbooks but, by coincidence, somebody bought the copy advertised there yesterday and, while I have instructed ABE to restore the book as being available, it takes several hours for them to update their database.


Though now I have understood that I was referring to the wrong edition, I can't figure out his last words -- because now it is available on abebooks. Anyway, he has been so kind that he was willing in sending me the book himself. :)

Rymoah

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Omphaos, 05/14/2007

I received an e-mail from Phil S-P at Galactic Central Publishing this weekend. He has added copies of his Frank Herbert bibliography to Abebooks.com (I have posted a direct link above) so if you want to buy this, it should be easy now. Its just under $4 shipped and is a great place to start if you want to build up a FH collection. FYI, I have no connection to Phil or Galactic Central: Just trying to pass useful info along.

He also corrected some problems with my secondary article, and Ill make them on the body of the article soon.

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Tanzeelat, 05/17/2007

Omphalos, you missed off the sleeve notes to FH's four Caedmon recordings:-

Dune: the Banquet Scene - read by the author, Frank Herbert (TC 1555, 1977)
Sandworms of Dune - read by the author, Frank Herbert (TC 1565, 1978)
The Battles of Dune - read by the author, Frank Herbert (TC 1601, 1979)
The Truths of Dune: "Fear is the Mind Killer" - read by the author, Frank Herbert (TC 1616, 1979)
Frank Herbert reads his Heretics of Dune Chapters I and II (TC 1742, 1984)

Sleeve notes by Frank Herbert on all the but the last, which features notes by David G Hartwell. Some of the sleeve notes were reprinted in Frank Herbert: Maker of Dune, edited by Tim O'Reilly.

Oh, and there's the 1978 Dune Calendar by John Schoenherr too, of course :-)

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Tanzeelat, 05/17/2007

It's nice to be back. I was just concentrating on other things for a while.

Oh, one more book for the bibliography:

BookValuer: Frank Herbert

I bought my copy on eBay, but they have a web site - bookvaluer.com - although it appears to be under construction...

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Rymoah, 05/17/2007

I've just noticed that the URL I provided for Kevin Mulcahy's work actually redirected to an article that cites it, but it's not the article we were looking for :oops: . I apologize for that... Anyway, I have discovered that the dissertation was published on the Academic Journal "Extrapolation", of the University of Texas, in 1996 (as you can see from this link) I have contacted the editor, J.A. Martinez, and fortunately they still have past issues of their journal, including that with Mulcahy's article.
If you want to get it you can send a mail to Martinez (his address is available on the website of Extrapolation), he will tell you address where to send the payment (I think it's 8 $ a copy for past issues, for foreigners add a 6 $ fee).

Rymoah

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Tanzeelat, 06/17/2007

Omphalos wrote:Tanzeelat, could you give me the vitals for the bookvaluer title, like ISBN, the entire title, author, etc? I cannot find it on line and I think Id like to add it. Can you give a description too? Thanks!


No ISBN or publication details - it's little more than a pamphlet. The version I have is Edition 1-5.06, and I bought it on eBay. The web site is still under construction - at this rate, I doubt it'll ever go live.

The books itself is just listings of FH's books, and prices for the various editions. It also gives historical prices.

Here are a couple of photos of its contents -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/38494536@N00/560472409/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/38494536@N00/560472435/

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Omphalos, 07/08/2007

New Master's thesis (Brown) added to the list. I have ordered this one, and should get it soon.

I have been asked by at least two people to make the various theses and dissertations I have available to them. I have permission from Lutton, Schreiber, and Smith to circulate copies of the documents. I have not been able to contact others, but I think Im going to post on my website two of the other three that I have. As for the Silliman dissertation, I note that the U of RI is selling it, so Im just not going to make that available. You can go to the university and purchase it on-line if you want to read it. A down load is $35. Expensive, isnt it? Ill keep trying to find her and get permission to post it, but until then, sorry. It is pretty dry, but the topic is one that I see has been taken up a few times recently by critics.

The problem is that the average document is over 100 pages, and scanning something that big (six times over) is a complete pain in the ass. Once I get them up, Ill hyperlink the text of the titles listed in this article so that you can just click over to where I will have them archived in pdf format, and can download them for your own use. Sorry its taken so long, but I will get this done eventually.

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Jessica20, 07/15/2007

Check out these essays, they should be on the Science Fiction studies website -

Donald Palumbo 'The Monomyth as Fractal Pattern in Frank Herbert's DUNE Novels' Vol:23 (1998)

Marie-Noelle Zeender 'The "Moi-peau" of Leto II in Herbert's Atriedes Saga' Vol:22 (1995)

Walter E. Meyers 'Problems with Herbert' Vol10 (1983) Its a review of O'Reilly's and Miller's books but it's really interesting

Stephen M. Fjellman 'Prescience and power: God Emperor of Dune and the Intellectuals' Vol:13 (1987)

John J. Grigsby 'Asimov's Foundation Trilogy and Herbert's Dune Trilogy: A Vision reversed' Vol:8 (1980)

Hope these are on the website, if not then I hope there's a collection new you. I searched through the whole collection there are probably about 10 more articles about Dune but these are the only ones applicable to me, so I only made note of these ones.

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Omphalos, 07/15/2007

Thanks, Jessica20. I was not aware of all of these.

The Palumbo article is, I think, an excerpt of a book Palumbo wrote on the topic. Its cited in the first category, Books, in the main list. Greenwood publishes it, and it costs a mint, but I have found a bunch of copies in libraries on-line. If that article is what you need for your dissertation, you should check out the full work. I have not read the full book yet, but it seems that Palumbo applies fractal analysis to Asimov's Robots and Foundation series, as well as Herbert's Dune series, and draws some conclusions that are relevant to all works examined.

Thanks for the other citations. Once I have these articles in hand, I will move them all over to the Scholarly Articles section.

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Eru, 07/24/2007

I noticed that there are 2 comics. Now, I was aware of the one based on the film, but is there another? Or is it just the different release, since I know it was released as separate comics (4?) and as one volume.

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Omphalos, 07/24/2007

They are essentially the same. Marvel published a short run series, then Berkeley published a graphic novel that is the entire series and, I am told by the local comics guy here near my house, some additional material.

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Tanzeelat, 07/24/2007

Yes, the Joan Vinge who wrote The Dune Storybook is the same one who wrote The Snow Queen (and its sequel The Summer Queen). I can't see all that much resemblance between Dune and The Snow Queen myself - Vinge's novel is more of a space opera romance.

You've still not added the Dune: Chronicles of the Imperium RPG to the games section. It was cancelled very quickly, but copies of the rulebook - produced for a GenCon - can still be found.

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Omphalos, 08/04/2007

I see BH has put up something on the DN blog about the Legendmaker Scriptoria book. I cannot get the publisher to respond to me to save my life, but apparently this book is a go, and BH has written a number of pages of introductory material for it. I guess we shall see if it makes it to print, or the publisher folds. Ill keep my fingers crossed for this one. Its supposed to have some information in it that BH & KJA put together before the first of the House books came out. I wonder how it will treat the materials FH left behind? Maybe there will be new pearls in there, or, God forbid, actual copies of some of the notes? I am having a hard time imagining how a publisher would want to go to the trouble of doing a book like that without at least attempting to answer some of the controversial questions surrounding the subject.

I also am informed by a source in the know that some letters between FH and Damon Knight will be included, and BH confirms that in the blog.

http://www.dunenovels.com/wormsblog/page057.html

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Omphalos, 08/04/2007

(I see you caught yourself between the time I read the first version and was ready to post this. :D )

Are you still having trouble getting him to reply to you? :roll:

How big a production is this publisher? Their website looks pretty ribey, as I noted in my comment thread on that blog post....

answer by Omphalos wrote:He=KJA? He responds to me pretty quickly, but I dont bother him too much. And youre right; before I realized it was BH and not KJA who wrote that blog I shot off a note to Kevin asking him if he really thought the the book would make it to print. We shall see how long it takes him to reply to tell me Im stupid for not noticing he didnt write it, but Im betting he will get to it pretty quickly. He seems to get his mail in short order.

As for the publisher I researched them a few months ago. It seems that most of what they publish are books about the de Haviland family, which as you probably know has deep and broad roots all over Europe and the Americas. If you search long and hard at the Legendmaker site you will find a link somewhere to a more detailed page of the actual publisher (not the company), Chris Haviland. Theres a comparative plethora of information there. As for Legendmaker, they seem to only have one product on the market at a time, and their web site certainly supports that notion. This looks to me like someone who usually does vanity press publications or on-demand stuff, but the book that is coming smells like a general release to me. Maybe the publisher is trying to step up in the world? If not, count on very few copies. If you want it, you'd better stay tuned. And even if it is published completely on spec, the market for SF reference is not exactly on fire, so do what you can to get a copy early if you can.

For my part, I cannot wait to read it and review it here.


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Omphalos (to Byron) 11/04/2007

Remember a long time ago when I asked you about what was in FH's book collection? You couldn't recall anything specific. I do quite a bit of work in Oregon, and discovered a public library near Florence, ORE that has your grandfather's old book collection, donated by (I think) your mother (again, I think), Penny Merritt. I'm already planning a trip up there to at the very least catalog them, and if time permits, look through a bunch for handwritten notes.

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Byron, 11/05/2007

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Omphalos wrote:Remember a long time ago when I asked you about what was in FH's book collection? You couldn't recall anything specific. I do quite a bit of work in Oregon, and discovered a public library near Florence, ORE that has your grandfather's old book collection, donated by (I think) your mother (again, I think), Penny Merritt. I'm already planning a trip up there to at the very least catalog them, and if time permits, look through a bunch for handwritten notes.


My parents live there, which is why the donation is there. But it's also the town where Frank came up with his idea for Dune. If you look around while you're there, you'll see why. The dunes are impressive along the coast.


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Postby Omphalos » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:16 pm

Someone asked again if I will ever post a Primary Sources Bibliography for Frank Herbert. The answer is no, as there is already a very good commercial one available, and it is quite cheap. It is listed in the "BOOKS" section above, but here it is again in case you are interested. It has everything that FH ever published himself, including novels, novellas, novelettes, short stories, essays, poems, articles, etc. If you want a complete bibliography, get this, as its the best one out there. I have no connection to this publisher at all.

Stephensen-Payne, Phil, Frank Herbert: A Voice from the Desert. Date unknown, Galactic Central Publishing, ISBN 1871133270 (this is a commercial bibliography only).
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Postby Omphalos » Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:00 am

You Tube interview clip added to the main list.
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Postby Freakzilla » Sun Feb 03, 2008 3:24 pm

Omphalos wrote:URL's for House Atreides added to the main list under Fan Sites.


fh was wrong

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Postby Omphalos » Sun Feb 03, 2008 6:45 pm

Massive update today, with more than 35 new links. Added the following categories. I still have a lot to add, but I'm getting tired of working on this now. More later:

Recorded media
Art
Contributions to science and industry
Products
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Additions to:

Derivitive books
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Theses & Dissertations
Interviews
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Omphalos wrote:URL's for House Atreides added to the main list under Fan Sites.


fh was wrong

:lol:


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Postby Omphalos » Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:58 am

Well, someone else who is as interested in this stuff as I am has contacted me and given me links to two items that are perfect for this list. Many thanks to Jose for the heads up about these two items. The first is a Czech feminist criticism (M.A. Thesis, actually), and has been added to the list. Here is a copy:

Knezkova, Klara, Frank Herbert's Heroines: Female Characters in Dune and Its Film Adaptations, Masaryk University, Brno (Czech Republic), 2007.

The second is an interesting looking Japanese paper, but something is up with the link. Ill try to get it up soon.
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Postby tanzeelat » Sun Mar 09, 2008 4:29 am

A few more notes on your bibliography:

Songs of Muad'Dib also includes many of the haiku FH had published in newspapers.

The Avalon Hill Dune game is a boardgame, not a RPG. Two expansion packs were also published - Spice Harvest and Duel.

Also worth noting:

Métal Hurlant No. 107 (January 1985) - Dune - French language article on Alejandro Jodorowsky's attempt to make a movie of Dune; includes concept art by Moebius, Giger and others.

Dune 2000 - Prima's Official Strategy Guide, Steve Honeywell (1998, Prima Games, ISBN 0-7615-1739-1, 214pp + appendices)

Emperor: Battle for Dune - Prima's Official Strategy Guide, Steve Honeywell (2001, Prima Games, ISBN 0-7615-2988-8, 268pp + appendices)

Dune: Official Collectors Edition (1984) - collector's magazine about the David Lynch movie

Dune: Puzzles, Games, Mazes, Activities
Dune: Coloring Book
Dune: Cut-Out Activity Book
Dune: Coloring & Activity Book
Dune: Activity Book

- all published by Grosset & Dunlap in 1984, movie tie-in

Dune: Pop-Up Book - also movie tie-in
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Postby Omphalos » Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:31 pm

Thanks, Tanz. I have a few of those things, and Ill be updating the entire list with this stuff, your suggestions for the recordings of FH from Caedmon, and four or five new scholarly papers uneartherd by a guy named Jose (who I HOPE will join here shortly, and work on this thing with me!). Im slowly learning what a huge job this will be in the end, as I have my sights on seeing everything before I put it into the list.
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Postby tanzeelat » Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:18 am

I'll go through my collection of "Duniana" and PM you with all the publication details, ISBns, etc.
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Postby Leto247 » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:46 am

"and four or five new scholarly papers uneartherd by a guy named Jose (who I HOPE will join here shortly, and work on this thing with me!)"



Signed and ready for action, Sir!. :)
Well, i think we could start with a suggestion. As i told Omphalos, i discovered this recently: it´s called "The Geosophical Structure of Frank Herbert's Dune" and it is a little weird but it can also be interesting.
You can find it here:

http://ci.nii.ac.jp/naid/110000470240/en/


I hope everyone enjoys it.
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Signed and ready for action, Sir!. :)
Well, i think we could start with a suggestion. As i told Omphalos, i discovered this recently: it´s called "The Geosophical Structure of Frank Herbert's Dune" and it is a little weird but it can also be interesting.
You can find it here:

http://ci.nii.ac.jp/naid/110000470240/en/


I hope everyone enjoys it.


Thanks a lot for that, Jose.

For those of you who want to find the actual article, click on the link above, then click on the link that says "Vol.2(19900100) pp. 128-98"

Once you have that, find the article title, and click again on the "full text" link that says "Cinii." For some reason you are not allowed to click right to it.

I will be integrating this as well as four other great articles Jose found when I get home this evening.
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Great. It seems i´ve managed to put the links right. Then, more interesting stuff:

Comparison of Herbert's "Dune" and Asimov's "Foundation Series": Effects of Technology and Belief Systems on the Individual

Speculating a Sustainable Future: Science Fiction and the Pedagogy of Ecological Literacy

This second is a Thesis but only the second chapter is Dune related.

Well, enough for today, enjoy it.
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Postby Omphalos » Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:07 pm

I will work all this into the main list shortly.
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Postby Omphalos » Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:47 pm

Added these cites to the main list:

To Theses and Dissertations:

Otto, Eric, Speculating a Sustainable Future: Science Fiction and the Pedagogy of Ecological Literacy, University of Florida, 2002.



To Scholarly Articles:

Gough, Noel, Speculative Fictions for Understanding Global Change Environments, Two Thought Experiments, Managing Global Transitions, Vol. 1, No. 1, Spring, 2003. Deakin University, Victoria, Australia.
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More additions:

To scholarly articles:

Morton, Timothy, Imperial Measures: Dune, Ecology and Romantic Consumerism.
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Postby Omphalos » Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:22 pm

Scholarly articles section re-done.
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Postby Leto247 » Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:23 am

Well, it´s being really hard to remember the links of all this stuff that i found years ago, and most of them seem to be broken or the domains are totally expired. For the moment i´ve been able to relocate directions for these things:

Decentralization of Political Structures Beyond the Planetary Level in Dune and Left Hand of Darkness

Parallels Between Frank Herbert’s Dune and the Transcendental Writing of Emerson and Thoreau

The Ecology Of The Dune Saga

Also, for the poor dune scholars, here is a place where you can get Semantics, General Semantics, and Ecology in Frank Herbert’s Dune for free.

And last but not least, for the fanfic section, a small novel called I, Scytale, which i found really enjoyable.
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Postby Omphalos » Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:28 am

I promised quite some time ago that I would scan and put up some dissertations that I have in my collection. Working on this thing with Jose has gotten me interested again. I have scanned the first of several that I have. This is a dissertation by Larry Luton.

WARNING: This thing is huge. Its a .pdf and its at least 15 megs, so if there are a lot of downloads Im going to take it down and OCR it so its not so bit. But give it plenty of time to download, please.

This piece, although certainly worthy of granting of the title of "doctor" is basically a piece of fiction, and is "scholarly" only in-universe. Its written in-character as Bronso of Ix as he lectures on various aspects of prescience. But in those lectures he touches on a large number of other Dune related topics too.
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Added 3 new articles from Jose, two in scholarly articles, and one in other sites of interest.
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Postby Omphalos » Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:21 pm

ebooks section edited and fixed to conform in appearance to the rest of the list. If anyone knows of a good free-site to download the books, please let me know and Ill put it up. This may, of course, result in the site going away, but it would be nice to have somewhere to direct new readers, as Im certain that they would want to buy them after reading free copies.

And please, none of the new trash, OK?.
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Postby Omphalos » Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:33 pm

Updated entry for Haviland book:

BOOKS TO BE PUBLISHED

There is also rumored to be a book coming out next year by LegendMaker Scriptoria that is apparently titled The Synopsis Treasury of Science Fiction & Fantasy, which will include letters that Frank Herbert exchanged with Damon Knight in the 1960's. I have no other information on this book right now, as the publisher will not return my e-mails, and it is not yet listed on their website. UPDATE: I have spoken to the author, C.S. Haviland, and he has indeed confirmed that this book will include items from FH's estate, including correspondence between Herbert and Knight. This is going to be a huge book that includes synopses and story pitches from the following authors: H. G. Wells, Robert A. Heinlein, Andre Norton, Jack Williamson, Frederik Pohl, Ben Bova, Terry Brooks, Piers Anthony, Orson Scott Card, David Brin, Connie Willis, David Drake, L. E. Modesitt, Kevin J. Anderson (arg!), Joe Haldeman, Sara Douglass, and various others. According to Haviland he is gathering various permissions from agents for the following who may be included in the book: Isaac Asimov, E. E. "Doc" Smith, Arthur C. Clarke, Jack Vance, Robert Silverberg, Keith Laumer, Roger Zelazny, Brian W. Aldiss, Philip K. Dick, Poul Anderson, Kurt Vonnegut Jr. , Chad Oliver, John Brunner, James Blish, Harry Harrison, Gordon R. Dickson, Philip Jose Farmer, and others. He plans on publishing this year, but is having trouble getting agents to respond to him, and is still shopping for a publisher. Ill let you know when this comes out.
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Mullins, Seth, Reversal of the Hero Myth in Frank Herbert's Dune Series, January 10, 2007.
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Postby Omphalos » Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:26 pm

Ben-Tov "dissertation" moved up to the books section, because, um, its a book.
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Postby Omphalos » Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:27 pm

Added Jacurutu to the fan sites list and removed the following The Sietch, which is dead.
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Postby Omphalos » Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:58 pm

Zap article added to main list:


Zap, Johnathan, A Few Thoughts on Mind Parasites. There are different versions of this article floating around out there.
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Postby Omphalos » Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:05 pm

Sherry article added:

Sherry, Andrew, Politics and Religion in Frank Herbert's Dune.
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Postby Omphalos » Sun May 04, 2008 8:21 pm

According to someone who says he is in the know, Gholaforum has coded. The following was removed from the Fan Sites area:

Gholafourm: Has some die-hard users, but I think its heyday may be behind it.
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Postby Omphalos » Sun May 04, 2008 8:24 pm

With the demise of the new DoD, apparently all vestiges of the former DoD have been wiped from the e-landscape. I removed the following from the Fanfic area as it is now dead too:

Dreamers of Dune archives. This site is defunct, and the old moderators now run various other sites on the web, including this one, Arrakeen, Gholaforum, the new Dreamers of Dune and others.
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Postby Omphalos » Thu May 22, 2008 8:31 am

Cool! Ill have to read that sometime soon. If only I had time for this kind of stuff. Ive been very busy lately.
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Postby Omphalos » Mon May 26, 2008 2:50 pm

Added:

FED2K is primarily a computer gaming forum, but it centers around the various Dune games and has other non-gaming sections.
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Postby Omphalos » Fri May 30, 2008 11:16 am

DunePedia, a newish Dune Wiki.


was added today.
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Postby SandChigger » Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:38 pm

Omph, it looks like that YouTube clip is from a BBC interview promoting the Lynch movie.

See this http://homepage.eircom.net/%257Eodyssey ... rbert.html for the attribution of a quote of the part about charismatic leaders.

Also see http://www.lynchnet.com/index2.html for a listing (2 mins sounds about right); search page for "Frank Herbert Interview".

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Postby Omphalos » Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:06 pm

That must have been why I thought it was from the Waldenbooks interview. That interview was given with Lynch for the Movie. Ill bet that the two of them were on one of those press junkets where they answer the same questions 100 times a day, and as the day goes on they give the same answers again and again too. It really sounds almost identical to what he said in that Waldenbooks tape, but again, I have to listed to it again to be sure.
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Postby inhuien » Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:59 am

^^^
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That's what I thought when I seen it first about a year ago, sure I mentioned it on Arra****. The clock and set remind me of the BBCs breakfast show.
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Postby Leto247 » Thu Dec 04, 2008 4:16 am

Hello people, long time since I posted anything here but I found this yesterday and maybe someone want to take a look at it:

Desert Power Politics: A Look at the Political World of Frank Herbert's Dune Saga

And one last thing, I know this is not really Dune related but well... just imagine!:

Feasibility Study for Lunar Worm - 1966 - Aeronutronic (NASA)
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Postby Omphalos » Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:01 am

Hi Leto. Long time no see!

Im afraid that I cant get to either one of those links. Can you check them please?

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Postby Leto247 » Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:40 pm

Oops, lets try this:


Feasibility Study for Lunar Worm - 1966 - Aeronutronic (NASA) :

Here

(it takes a long to download)

And if the link to the other article doesn´t work you can try going to:

and Here

and opening the PDF option.

Hope this works.
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Postby Omphalos » Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:59 pm

That worm vehicle is pretty cool. Thanks for posting these.

Hope you dont mind that I fixed the links so that the page would render properly.
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Postby tanzeelat » Fri Dec 05, 2008 5:01 am

Some more cool lunar vehicles can be found in this book.
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Postby SandRider » Tue Dec 30, 2008 2:48 am

Omph - haven't checked all the links yet, but there are problems with these:

Engleson, Mark J., Heros and Society in Dune. - this website closed down (very recently)- lots of angry people on the front page !
(aol.hometown)

DiTommaso, Lorenzo, History and Historical Effect in Frank Herbert's Dune from SFS.
http://www.depauw.edu/sfs/ - this link either broken or page gone - thinking all the "depauw.edu"
links might be a typo for "DePaul", tried that - no joy.
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Postby Omphalos » Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:54 am

Thanks, Sandrider. AOL Homepage is now a goner, which sucked for a lot of people. The Depauw link was to Science Fiction Studies, one of the few remaining critical publications. Its still around so when i get some time Ill find where they moved the article to and put it back up.
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Postby SandRider » Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:37 am

The Science Fiction Studies site is up & working -
they apparently did updates recently - I guess I hit it
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Postby Omphalos » Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:13 pm

Added link to this dissertation:

Schreiber, John F., Shape of the Hero in Modern Epic Fantasy, The: A Comparative Analysis of the Dune Series, The Lord of the Rings & the Covenant Trilogy (Herbert, Tolkien & Donaldson), 1983, Mankato SU (University).

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Postby Leto247 » Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:48 am

Omphalos wrote:Added link to this dissertation:

Schreiber, John F., Shape of the Hero in Modern Epic Fantasy, The: A Comparative Analysis of the Dune Series, The Lord of the Rings & the Covenant Trilogy (Herbert, Tolkien & Donaldson), 1983, Mankato SU (University).

Geez, I really need to sit down and update this list. I have so much to put up, including some stuff Tanz probably gave me when we were on DN, and Kwisatz sent me a bunch of stuff recently too.


A good read, Omph, thanks. But reading it i noticed the lack of pages 74-75, is that possible?
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Postby Omphalos » Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:58 am

Leto247 wrote:
Omphalos wrote:Added link to this dissertation:

Schreiber, John F., Shape of the Hero in Modern Epic Fantasy, The: A Comparative Analysis of the Dune Series, The Lord of the Rings & the Covenant Trilogy (Herbert, Tolkien & Donaldson), 1983, Mankato SU (University).

Geez, I really need to sit down and update this list. I have so much to put up, including some stuff Tanz probably gave me when we were on DN, and Kwisatz sent me a bunch of stuff recently too.


A good read, Omph, thanks. But reading it i noticed the lack of pages 74-75, is that possible?


With my scanning ability, it most probably is. Ill see if I have those pages this weekend and try to post them. Thanks for the heads up Leto!
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Postby Himachil » Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:48 pm

I've had this for ages... but I have a Dune book I can't see on your list.

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It's the first book.. but adapted down to 144 pages (presumably for schools etc) by Rosemary Border (c) 1980 Oxford University Press.

I've not read it properly, but it cuts things like all the chapter epigraphs and looses a load of terminology - like ornithopters - which are always referred to as 'aircraft', or 'helicopters'. :roll:
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Postby The Phantom » Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:07 pm

forseriously?

that's crazy.. I can't believe an author would .... authorize that :P

or is it a more recent edition, in which case I totally understand why the HLP would authorize/encourage it. :P
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Postby Omphalos » Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:33 pm

Oxford Univ Press? Looks like something made in Romania (no offense to our Rumanian brethren). .
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Postby Himachil » Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:44 am

lol - no it's definitely Oxford University Press - says it's 1500 Headword level - possibly be for foreigners learning English then? But it's not made in Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary or anything. Also it's 1980 so FH himself must have agreed to it... surely? Maybe he really was all about the money (A lesson he passed onto his son admirably well)...

It doesn't have any appendices or a Terminology of the Imperium as such... it does have a Glossary though :D

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Postby SandChigger » Sun Mar 29, 2009 2:59 pm

:lol: That'd make a great sig quote.
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LOL :)
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Postby A Thing of Eternity » Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:54 pm

Super weird, I know I've seen a picture of that worm definition on the interwebs before...
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Postby Freakzilla » Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:46 pm

Himachil wrote:I've had this for ages... but I have a Dune book I can't see on your list.

Image

It's the first book.. but adapted down to 144 pages (presumably for schools etc) by Rosemary Border (c) 1980 Oxford University Press.

I've not read it properly, but it cuts things like all the chapter epigraphs and looses a load of terminology - like ornithopters - which are always referred to as 'aircraft', or 'helicopters'. :roll:


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Postby Himachil » Mon Mar 30, 2009 2:40 pm

SandChigger wrote::lol: That'd make a great sig quote.

I think I did have it as a sig quote somewhere for about a week before I switched to my Darko Suvin quote. :P

A Thing of Eternity wrote:Super weird, I know I've seen a picture of that worm definition on the interwebs before...

Spooky... :shock:
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Postby A Thing of Eternity » Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:10 pm

Himachil wrote:
SandChigger wrote::lol: That'd make a great sig quote.

I think I did have it as a sig quote somewhere for about a week before I switched to my Darko Suvin quote. :P

A Thing of Eternity wrote:Super weird, I know I've seen a picture of that worm definition on the interwebs before...

Spooky... :shock:


Maybe I saw it in your sig, it was clearly a cutout of that exact page you just showed.
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Postby Rakis » Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:47 am

Himachil wrote:lol - no it's definitely Oxford University Press - says it's 1500 Headword level - possibly be for foreigners learning English then? But it's not made in Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary or anything. Also it's 1980 so FH himself must have agreed to it... surely? Maybe he really was all about the money (A lesson he passed onto his son admirably well)...

It doesn't have any appendices or a Terminology of the Imperium as such... it does have a Glossary though :D

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(I like the Worm one.)


I thought it was an excerpt from Windy Jessica... :shock:
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Postby SandChigger » Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:50 pm

One of those glossaries Kevin wishes authors would provide....

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Postby Leto247 » Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:23 am

Has anybody seen this page?:

http://sffrd.library.tamu.edu/search/subject/853/?q=HERBERT,%20FRANK&page=1

Am I crazy or are there a lot of things I had never seen before? Any idea how to get any of this?
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Postby Omphalos » Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:28 am

SandChigger wrote:One of those glossaries Kevin wishes authors would provide....

:roll:


Might be a bunch of tear sheets out of magazines, plus some books. Ill contact the library and see about getting this stuff sent to me for posting.

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Postby Freakzilla » Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:01 am

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Postby Omphalos » Tue Apr 14, 2009 12:29 pm

I got a reply from the library. They have most of the English language articles and I can probably get them through interlibrary loan, as they are not tear-sheets. I have a few more questions in, but I will try to get started on collecting these and doing...something...with them in the thread that shall not be named.
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Postby Leto247 » Tue Apr 14, 2009 1:32 pm

Omphalos wrote:I got a reply from the library. They have most of the English language articles and I can probably get them through interlibrary loan, as they are not tear-sheets. I have a few more questions in, but I will try to get started on collecting these and doing...something...with them in the thread that shall not be named.


Wow, that´s efficiency, Omph, I can only say:

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Well, that and:

:dance:
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Postby Omphalos » Tue Apr 14, 2009 1:35 pm

Gracia, amigo. BTW, the librarian I spoke to told me that the libraries at UC Riverside in California and the Toronto Public Library in Toronto, Canada have excellent collections that we FH fans would probably find interesting things in. Just FYI. :wink:

I travel to Riverside occasionally for work, so that's another one I may want to visit someday.

IIRC we also have a few "T-Dotters" here on this board or Jacurutu, who we may have to turn into our willing pawns.
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Postby The Phantom » Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:03 pm

hey just let me know what you wanna see.. i'll get it out
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Postby Dune Nerd » Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:57 pm

In May I am headed to SC for a short trip. I will either be going to Fullerton or Riverside let me know which is more desireable.
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Dune Nerd wrote:In May I am headed to SC for a short trip. I will either be going to Fullerton or Riverside let me know which is more desireable.


Probably Fullerton, as none of their stuff can go out by interlibrary loan. I have a trip to Fullerton scheduled for May 21, IIRC. When is your trip? We also have a new member who lives near over by the coast who may be willing to get some stuff for us on occasion.
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Postby Dune Nerd » Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:22 am

My trip will be early May (probably around the 8th). It will only be a few days trip but I know I can convince my wife to travel to the library with me.
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Postby Omphalos » Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:34 am

Ill be there the 21st. Ill shoot you the contacts for the library soon. Both the archivists teach classes and have office hours, so you should call ahead and confirm that you are going.
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Postby Dune Nerd » Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:34 pm

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Please do, I will have about half a day to try and do this so I would rather not waste it if they are not gonna be there.
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Postby Leto247 » Mon May 11, 2009 7:22 am

Omphalos wrote:
Leto247 wrote:
Omphalos wrote:Added link to this dissertation:

Schreiber, John F., Shape of the Hero in Modern Epic Fantasy, The: A Comparative Analysis of the Dune Series, The Lord of the Rings & the Covenant Trilogy (Herbert, Tolkien & Donaldson), 1983, Mankato SU (University).

Geez, I really need to sit down and update this list. I have so much to put up, including some stuff Tanz probably gave me when we were on DN, and Kwisatz sent me a bunch of stuff recently too.


A good read, Omph, thanks. But reading it i noticed the lack of pages 74-75, is that possible?


With my scanning ability, it most probably is. Ill see if I have those pages this weekend and try to post them. Thanks for the heads up Leto!


Psss...Omph... did you had time to take a look to those pages? :pray:
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Postby Omphalos » Mon May 11, 2009 7:16 pm

Cant find them. Let me look at work tomorrow.
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Postby Omphalos » Tue May 12, 2009 1:54 pm

Hmmmm. Found p. 75 at work, but p. 74 is missing. Must have been an error I made when copying. If that is the case the only way to get the missing page is to get the document mailed to me again on interlibrary loan. That will have to wait for another day, Im afraid. I still have a few others to scan in and post.

Ill get p. 75 posted tonight, and Ill look around again. I was sure that I had a double sided copy somewhere so I would not have to carry all that paper around. Maybe I still have it. Ill take one more look at home tonight.
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Postby Leto247 » Wed May 13, 2009 12:38 am

Oops, that sounds like a lot of work, sorry for asking Omph. Forget i said anything. Anyway, you deserve a big:
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I still have a few others to scan in and post.


Hmmm, that sounds promising. :mrgreen:
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Postby Omphalos » Wed May 13, 2009 10:21 am

You know what, I made a note to myself when I first got it. The original was missing p. 74. I tried to recontact the author. He was an english professor in Wisconsin, but he had moved on and I was never able to find him again. Maybe one day he will google himself and send me a message when he finds this place.
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Postby Omphalos » Sun Jun 21, 2009 1:35 am

Here is a link to an interview of Herbert I recently uncovered in an Australian SF zine. Although it is not as deep and thorough as some of the others here, I have been thinking that this may one of the best ones that I have ever read. I hope you all enjoy it too. I added this to the list above, in a line that was already there, but just did not have the interview.
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Postby Leto247 » Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:30 am

Yes, it really is a nice interview. Thanks, Omph. Do you know what is the name of the magazine? number? date?
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Postby Leto247 » Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:34 am

Interview noted to be in Issue #9 of Science Fiction: A Review of Speculative Fiction Magazine. I have never read this interview, and I have never before now heard of this Australian magazine. I have sent a note to the editor asking for an electronic or photocopy. If anyone out there has this issue, would you please PM me? UPDATE: Here is the text of the interview.



Oops... me and my big mouth... forget I asked... :oops:
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Postby Omphalos » Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:46 am

The item is marked like this: Science Fiction: A Review of Speculative Literature #9, Vol. 3, No. 3, September 1981, ISSN 0314-6677
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Postby Freakzilla » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:37 am

Omphalos wrote:Here is a link to an interview of Herbert I recently uncovered in an Australian SF zine. Although it is not as deep and thorough as some of the others here, I have been thinking that this may one of the best ones that I have ever read. I hope you all enjoy it too. I added this to the list above, in a line that was already there, but just did not have the interview.



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Postby Freakzilla » Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:34 am

How much of Dune was preconceived?
-The Dune trilogy was one book in my head. Parts of the second two were written before I'd really finished Dune itself. I'm not absolutely sure, but I know that the last chapter of Dune was not re-written. But it's ancient history in my head now and I'd have to think hard about it and go back and reconstruct it.
If the tri[l]ogy was p[l]anned from the outset as [o]ne book", what [l]ed to the most recent nove[l]ed to the most recent novel, God Emperor of Dune?
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Postby Leto247 » Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:41 pm

Dude, I don´t want him out, he protects me from the other voices I hear in my head... :shock:
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Postby Himachil » Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:51 am

Freakzilla wrote:
Omphalos wrote:Here is a link to an interview of Herbert I recently uncovered in an Australian SF zine. Although it is not as deep and thorough as some of the others here, I have been thinking that this may one of the best ones that I have ever read. I hope you all enjoy it too. I added this to the list above, in a line that was already there, but just did not have the interview.



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Nice! :lol:

Just spotted that quoted in the intro to Norman Spinrad's SF in the Real World... :P

Great interview btw, thanks for digging it up!
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Omphalos » Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:31 pm

Finally got around to adding these two links to Fan Sites:

A fan blog that tracks the 2010 Dune film's press releases, hosts a links archive and hosts the most excellent Dune font.


and Dune products:



And also added this to Scholarly Articles:

Bloom, Earnest Frank Herbert, The Works, an attempt at a biography culled from a variety of sources, and presumably without first hand interviews. This is the first virtual-only text in this section. Let's hope that it sticks around.
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Postby Omphalos » Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:41 pm

Updated Prosser entry in the main list.
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Postby Omphalos » Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:48 pm

I've got some good news, to everyone who follows this, relating to this post in the main list under Books:

Prosser, Harold Lee, Frank Herbert: Prophet of Dune. 1998, Borgo Press, ISBN 0893702196. UPDATE - 01/04/2010: I have located Lee Prosser. He confirmed that Borgo folded before it published his book, but it may exist in manuscript form still. This was never published under any other title, whole or in part. I don't rightly think that this should be classified as a phantom, since it was actually written and turned in, was worked on, and may still exist in some form, so I'll leave this entry up. Per Mr. Prosser parts of it, along with some other items he generated during its writing, including letters from FH, may have been damaged in a flood.


As indicated, I have found Mr. Prosser. The big news is that he recently found his manuscript. He said that in addition he exchanged several long letters with FH and had a transcribed interview, but apparently those items are long gone. However, he has agreed to send me a copy of the manuscript that he wrote out of those letters and that interview, and that I may copy it and give it to anyone here who is interested. I don't have permission to link to it on this list, and I don't think I'll ask since a new movie is coming up and interest is likely to peak again, but if anyone would like a PDF, just let me know. I think its OK if you share it with others, but once I have it done, it's not for public reposting anywhere.

I'm told its a book length manuscript where the author evaluates FH's use of themes, with input from FH himself. Personally, I cannot wait to get this. Should be in my hands before the weekend.

Wow. Over all this is great news, but Im kind of sad too. I think this is the last item that I have on my list to track down. It's a big find and Im glad I did it, but there definitely is a bittersweet taste in my mouth. :D :cry: :D :cry:
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Postby SandChigger » Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:54 pm

Cool. Put me down for a copy. :)
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Postby Eyes High » Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:27 pm

That is neat Omph. Congrats. :clap:
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Postby A Thing of Eternity » Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:08 am

Wow, I'd love a copy of that. Did he say why it was never published?

I know how you feel, sometimes the search is more satisfying than the find.
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Postby Omphalos » Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:57 am

Its up there in the descrption. The publisher, Borgo, folded before the book could be printed. I spoke to the publisher, Robert Reginald, some time ago. Fortunately the first thing he did was to get an ISBN, which put the book into the system. I never would have known about it if it was not listed in BIP and BOOP.
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Postby A Thing of Eternity » Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:14 pm

My mistake, I thought you meant that they folded on the publishing deal, not folded entirely. In hind-sight, that doesn't make much sense though, no one would phrase it that way!
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Postby Omphalos » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:00 pm

"Borgo passed on publishing?" That would work.
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Postby Leto247 » Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:39 am

Hello, everybody. It´s been a while (although i must confess that i´ve been lurking over here for a little while).
Omph, i would L-O-V-E to have a copy of that manuscript. Did Mr. Prosser told you when is he going to send it to you?
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Postby Omphalos » Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:50 am

Im actually expecting it any day now. He put it in the mail to me on Tuesday. If it comes today Im sure I can scan it in on Sunday. Should be any day now, Jose.
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Postby ᴶᵛᵀᴬ » Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:09 pm

Himachil wrote:I've had this for ages... but I have a Dune book I can't see on your list.

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It's the first book.. but adapted down to 144 pages (presumably for schools etc) by Rosemary Border (c) 1980 Oxford University Press.

I've not read it properly, but it cuts things like all the chapter epigraphs and looses a load of terminology - like ornithopters - which are always referred to as 'aircraft', or 'helicopters'. :roll:



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      Postby inhuien » Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:32 am

      Bravo Omphalos, I'd like a copy as well please. Will you be getting it as a hard or soft copy?
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      Postby Omphalos » Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:39 am

      Its a manuscript, on loose paper. I have it and have read it. It actually touches on most of Herbert's works with a significant part dedicated to all six Dune works. The author discusses mysticism and religious derivation in Dune, then discusses the literary more than the SF themes. It's actually quite good. Ill be scanning it in and sending it out as a PDF sometime next week.
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      Postby inhuien » Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:57 am

      I hope you have a scanner with one of those loadable hooper things and don't have to scan it one page at-a-time, cheers for your hardwork in putting this all together. :)
      Look, I'm not much good at big speeches, and I know I haven't always been an easy guy to get on with, and I know, that given the choice, I wouldn't have chosen you as friends, but I just want to say, that over the years, I have come to regard you as people I met.

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      Postby Omphalos » Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:22 am

      Page-at-a-time for me, baby! But that is no problem. I can do 95 pages in less than an hour.

      I was hoping I could talk Jose into doing an OCR, perfecting the manuscript and setting it up for an offset print so I could get a copy or two bound. :whistle:
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      Postby Leto247 » Fri Mar 19, 2010 3:21 am

      I hear you, Omph, I hear you :)=
      The truth is afer more than four volumes of my personal Rakis Hoard, I´ve grown a little bit tired of the enormous work that means layout a book from scrath. In fact, in volume IV (containing "the political philosophy of dune" and "the shape of the hero in modern epic fantasy", by the way: thanks again, Omphalos :wink: ) I opted to leave the materials in their original form and print it that way, in a facsimile edition kind of way.
      Of course, maybe after seeing Mr. Prosser´s manuscript I´ll change my mind and start again but i still think that it is too much work for such an amateur outcome.
      Anyway, I was thinking that you really deserve a cake or something for all the woderful job that you have been doing in this page, but now that i know that you have to scann "Page-at-a-time" i´ve started to think that it should be one of those cakes with a striper inside, paid by all of us :twisted: .
      Now, seriusly, it would be my plasure to order two copies at my bookbinder and send one of them to you in gratitude of all the great documents that you have provided us here all this time, may it be a facsimile edition or a layout edition, that remains to be seen :D .
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      Postby Omphalos » Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:43 pm

      I spoke to the special collections librarian at the Siuslaw Library in Florence, Oregon earlier today. She told me that the Herbert collection is listed in their catalog. Here is a listing of every volume that they have that was donated by Penny Merritt to them after they constructed the building in 1990. She referred to it as a "tip of the iceberg" type of collection, in that it does not contain every book he owned. Its largley fiction, non-fiction and translations of Herbert's works. They also have a lot of memorabilia from other media, such as film and audio recording up there.

      I had a pretty good discussion with the librarian, who said that she knows a lot about Herbert and his work on the local dune article. One thing she mentioned, which I found fascinating, is that a very small worm lives in the dunes, and when examined microscopically it has a three-lipped mouth that is very similar to the worms as shown in the movies. Unfortunately she hedged a bit and said that she was not 100% certain about that. Any bug lovers out there have a way of finding out what that species of worm is called? She also said that it might be a form of crustaceon.

      She also said that there are "several" interviews of Herbert up there that cannot be found elsewhere. Looks like its time for another trip!

      I have not looked through this yet, but I figured many of you would be interested in this.
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      Postby SandChigger » Mon Mar 29, 2010 11:42 pm

      Cool.
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      Postby Freakzilla » Sat Apr 03, 2010 12:57 pm

      Omphalos wrote:I spoke to the special collections librarian at the Siuslaw Library in Florence, Oregon earlier today. She told me that the Herbert collection is listed in their catalog. Here is a listing of every volume that they have that was donated by Penny Merritt to them after they constructed the building in 1990. She referred to it as a "tip of the iceberg" type of collection, in that it does not contain every book he owned. Its largley fiction, non-fiction and translations of Herbert's works. They also have a lot of memorabilia from other media, such as film and audio recording up there.

      I had a pretty good discussion with the librarian, who said that she knows a lot about Herbert and his work on the local dune article. One thing she mentioned, which I found fascinating, is that a very small worm lives in the dunes, and when examined microscopically it has a three-lipped mouth that is very similar to the worms as shown in the movies. Unfortunately she hedged a bit and said that she was not 100% certain about that. Any bug lovers out there have a way of finding out what that species of worm is called? She also said that it might be a form of crustaceon.

      She also said that there are "several" interviews of Herbert up there that cannot be found elsewhere. Looks like its time for another trip!

      I have not looked through this yet, but I figured many of you would be interested in this.


      I think she may be confused about the worm. I seem to remember reading somewhere that his inspiration was the shipworm, a bivalve mollusk:

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      Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

      Postby ᴶᵛᵀᴬ » Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:33 am

      FH Collection at Siuslaw :

      http://www.citizensforflorence.com/Issues/dune-herbert-1.html

      In a 1969 interview [McNelly], Frank Herbert said that he had read more than 200 books as background for his novel, "Dune." His daughter, Penny Herbert Merritt, believes it. "He was a speed reader. He would read a book in a matter of hours and zero in on what he was searching for to go with what he was writing." Many of those books have been part of the Frank Herbert Collection at the Siuslaw Public Library for the last 10 years.


      http://www.siuslawlibrary.org/FrankHerbertCollection.asp

      In the late 1980's one of his daughters moved to Florence as a business owner and resident, and took an interest in the new library building under construction. Shortly after the library building opened she presented the library with almost 400 books, pamphlets, recorded books on phonograph records, posters, photographs and other materials from the late Frank Herbert's personal library.


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          Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

          Postby Omphalos » Sun May 16, 2010 8:14 pm

          OK all. Here is a copy of the manuscript of Frank Herbert: Prophet of Dune, by Lee Prosser. I'll be adding this into the main list shortly, and as a favor to the author, who has kindly agreed to let us all have this manuscript for free, Ill be giving it its own page shortly.

          In case you were not following the list, Prosser wrote the book for Reginald at Borgo Press sometime in the late 80's, then submitted the final product. Reginald got the book an ISBN, then Borgo failed. That is why you will see, if you look, that the book is still in BIP. It has never been published anywhere before today.

          Carlos, if you are up to it, I'd love to see a proofed, offset copy of this. Anything I can do to persuade you?

          Here is the entire manuscript"

          assets/FrankHerbertProphetOfDune.pdf

          And here are the chapters for those of you with dial-up

          assets/FHPOD01Copyright.pdf
          assets/FHPOD02ToC.pdf
          assets/FHPOD03DominantThemes.pdf
          assets/FHPOD04ShortWorks.pdf
          assets/FHPOD05Novels.pdf
          assets/FHPOD06FiveMajorNovels.pdf
          assets/FHPOD07TheDuneCycle.pdf
          assets/FHPOD08SecondDuneCycle.pdf
          assets/FHPOD09Reincarnation.pdf
          assets/FHPOD10DuneMovie.pdf
          assets/FHPOD11Bibliography.pdf
          assets/FHPOD12HerbertBibliography.pdf

          Hope you enjoy this.
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          Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

          Postby Nekhrun » Sun May 16, 2010 8:37 pm

          Thanks, this looks like it could be an interesting read.

          Here's a link you can add to the first page under teaching links:

          http://courses.moodleshare.com/course/view.php?id=2

          It's a semester course for teaching Dune (work in progress). If there is something that you think should be added or changed I can pass the message along to the Admin of that site. For teachers who use Moodle all they have to do is download the zip file and install it in their own class and they've got a copy of the course.
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          Postby SandChigger » Sun May 16, 2010 8:51 pm

          That's cool. :)
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          Postby Omphalos » Sun May 16, 2010 8:57 pm

          Nekhrun wrote:Thanks, this looks like it could be an interesting read.

          Here's a link you can add to the first page under teaching links:

          http://courses.moodleshare.com/course/view.php?id=2

          It's a semester course for teaching Dune (work in progress). If there is something that you think should be added or changed I can pass the message along to the Admin of that site. For teachers who use Moodle all they have to do is download the zip file and install it in their own class and they've got a copy of the course.


          What should I call it? Is it for middle school kids? Can you give me some details you want to see in the post? Should I use your real name in the T(A)U post? This is lit, right, not creative writing? Or is it Language Arts stuff?
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          Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

          Postby Nekhrun » Sun May 16, 2010 9:10 pm

          Omphalos wrote:
          Nekhrun wrote:Thanks, this looks like it could be an interesting read.

          Here's a link you can add to the first page under teaching links:

          http://courses.moodleshare.com/course/view.php?id=2

          It's a semester course for teaching Dune (work in progress). If there is something that you think should be added or changed I can pass the message along to the Admin of that site. For teachers who use Moodle all they have to do is download the zip file and install it in their own class and they've got a copy of the course.


          What should I call it? Is it for middle school kids? Can you give me some details you want to see in the post? Should I use your real name in the T(A)U post? This is lit, right, not creative writing? Or is it Language Arts stuff?

          You can use the course creator name in the post, maybe even say it's hosted on http://moodleshare.org . It's a high school Lit. class for teaching Frank Herbert's Dune complete with discussion boards, assignments and quizzes. I'm not sure if it needs any more than that. It's actually been downloaded quite a few times already worldwide. It's possible that some of the questions asked in the discussion board for have disappeared when the user data was removed. At some point they'll get back in there, but it won't be until summer.
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          Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

          Postby Omphalos » Sun May 16, 2010 10:02 pm

          OK, done. If you want more added, just let me know.
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          Postby ᴶᵛᵀᴬ » Sun May 16, 2010 11:55 pm

          Merci Omph :D


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              Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

              Postby inhuien » Mon May 17, 2010 4:06 am

              Thanks Omphalos!! That must have consumed quite a chunk of your Saturday. I hope you had a good Gin to hand to ease the boredom :)
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              Postby Nekhrun » Mon May 17, 2010 7:26 am

              Omphalos wrote:TEACHING AIDS

              A high school literature class for teaching Frank Herbert's Dune complete with discussion boards, assignments and quizzes, hosted on Moodshare.org.

              Can you get that Moodshare.org changed to Moodleshare.org?

              Thanks.
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              Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

              Postby Omphalos » Mon May 17, 2010 10:57 am

              :oops:

              Fixed.
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              Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

              Postby Serkanner » Tue May 18, 2010 10:30 am

              Will send the manuscript to the office so I can print it cheap and read it. Looks interesting indeed. Thanks for the hard work Omphalos :)
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              Postby Robspierre » Thu May 20, 2010 10:39 pm

              Much thanks for the manuscript. Got it loaded on the ipad for later reading.


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              Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

              Postby Hunchback Jack » Wed May 26, 2010 2:16 pm

              Many, many thanks to you and Mr. Prosser, Omph! This is a great find.

              Edited to add: from this link:

              http://sffrd.library.tamu.edu/search/su ... ANK&page=1

              ... there's the entry:

              $2 million+ for Frank Herbert in three book deal

              No author listed

              Science Fiction Chronicle 3(8):1,4. May 1982.


              This seems to confirm that Dune 7 was at least contracted. Was that known before?\

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              Postby Freakzilla » Wed May 26, 2010 5:13 pm

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              Postby Hunchback Jack » Wed May 26, 2010 8:01 pm

              Assuming the "three book deal" is for dune 5, 6 and 7, that is. I suppose we'd need to read the article to confirm that.

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              Postby ᴶᵛᵀᴬ » Mon Nov 01, 2010 6:09 pm

              The big-eyed monster of the day :

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              Works by Frank Herbert (Study Guide): Frank Herbert bibliography

              Product Description
              This is nonfiction commentary. Chapters: Frank Herbert bibliography,. Source: Wikipedia. :lol: Pages: 13. Not illustrated.


              Product Details
              • Paperback: 192 pages
              • Publisher: Books LLC (October 18, 2010)
              • Language: English
              • ISBN-10: 1155963326
              • ISBN-13: 978-1155963327


              $27.64 ........ :obscene-drinkingdrunk:

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                  Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

                  Postby Omphalos » Mon Nov 01, 2010 6:35 pm

                  That's a printed, bound form of the wikipedia pages? Who the hell would want that?\

                  Oh well, let's throw it onto our lists.
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                  Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

                  Postby SandChigger » Tue Nov 02, 2010 4:05 am

                  Oh, hell, don't bother! Don't you know about these guys? There are several outfits doing it, besides Books LLC, at least one based in India that I know of.

                  They just take a bunch of articles from Wikipedia, usually linked by some topic or theme, and offer them in printed & bound form. And usually for some outrageous price like $50.00 or so. It's a definite racket preying on the unobservant (the product descriptions clearly say the content is from Wikipedia, so it's not outright fraud in that sense) and it really makes you wonder about the morality of some of the people at Amazon, which has to know what's going on.

                  You remember M/Cult of Strawberry? (Writes Dune fanfic, came up in conversation last week, the one whose review Solipsoiled went after.) Over the last year she's leveraged herself into one of the top reviewer ranks over there by writing about a thousand reviews, and a lot of them were attacks on this kind of book. When you have some time to kill (like when someone's fixing your kitchen sink?), go to her profile page and check out some of her older reviews... up around page 20 or so and you'll see what I mean. (Look for the ones with comments, because one of the idiots responsible for this kind of stuff started attacking her reviews and defending what he was doing. She basically tells him to STFU & GTFO. Pretty amusing.)

                  But please don't dignify what they're doing by including it in the Bibliography. Cite the relevant Wikipedia articles instead.
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                  Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

                  Postby Omphalos » Tue Nov 02, 2010 9:54 am

                  Ahhhh. No. The point of a bibliography is to be complete. The finished product suffers if the bibliographer makes adjustments based on his or other's tastes. That doesn't mean that comments cannot be made, but if someone packaged a product with relevant information, it's going up.

                  Although, maybe we can link it to the wikipedia articles, rather than giving it its own place in the books list. Hmmmmmm.

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                  Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

                  Postby ᴶᵛᵀᴬ » Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:14 am

                  Omphalos wrote:Ahhhh. No. The point of a bibliography is to be complete. The finished product suffers if the bibliographer makes adjustments based on his or other's tastes. That doesn't mean that comments cannot be made, but if someone packaged a product with relevant information, it's going up.
                  Although, maybe we can link it to the wikipedia articles, rather than giving it its own place in the books list. Hmmmmmm.
                  Joseph? What do you think?


                  SandChigger wrote:But please don't dignify what they're doing by including it in the Bibliography. Cite the relevant Wikipedia articles instead.





                  Only you can answer that question. You control the scope of your "bibliography" by the criteria you use to include or exclude articles, including their quality, currency and pertinence.
                  I can only speak for myself and the Lampadas Library : as reference material, it's kind of irrelevant to me, but it could be referenced as "fan-labor" (3.2.2 /A).
                  Remember, it's my own criterias ;)=





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                  • WORKING BIBLIOGRAPHY: A detailed list which ATTEMPTS to list all items by an author, including both fiction and non-fiction, and (usually) all reprints, but one that is typically reliant on secondary sources. Note that this category covers a wide range of possibilities (e.g. whether or not foreign language versions are included).
                  • BIBLIOGRAPHY: Similar to the previous level, but one where the author has made an effort to verify every item listed personally and, typically, adds some information about the item in question (possibly also with copies of covers, etc.).
                  • BIO-BIBLIOGRAPHY: Everything above, together with extensive discussion of the author, and the works involved.


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                      Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

                      Postby Omphalos » Tue Nov 02, 2010 2:36 pm

                      Thanks!

                      Maybe I should retitle mine the "Secondary Sources Working Bibliography"
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                      Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

                      Postby SandChigger » Tue Nov 02, 2010 4:36 pm

                      Well... it's hardly what I would call "fan labor". (The only way I could see to justify that would be to say that, well, at least someone thought to do one on Dune-related articles, so they might be a fan of Dune. But one of those companies literally had nearly 10,000 different titles available.) It's a money-making racket intended to bilk those who don't bother to read closely enough.

                      And the only reason I suggested linking to Wikipedia is because that's the source of the material, and the version there is dynamic. Although that guy who was stalking M claimed in one comment that his group updates the content of their books as the Wikipedia content changes. But why not just go direct to Wikipedia and cut out the dishonest middleman?

                      Just my two cents' worth x 2. :)
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                      Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

                      Postby ᴶᵛᵀᴬ » Tue Nov 02, 2010 5:05 pm

                      Omphalos wrote:Thanks!

                      Maybe I should retitle mine the "Secondary Sources Working Bibliography"


                      Sounds great ! :D

                      SandChigger wrote:Well... it's hardly what I would call "fan labor".
                      (...)
                      It's a money-making racket intended to bilk those who don't bother to read closely enough.
                      (...)
                      But why not just go direct to Wikipedia and cut out the dishonest middleman?


                      Yes, it's a kind of plagiarism. Peut-on citer un voleur ? :think:


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                          Postby SandChigger » Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:42 pm

                          Je pense que... non. ;)

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                          « cut out the dishonest middleman [!] » :D
                          ............................Chiggerian citation [italic & guillemets "français doubles" :lol: ]


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                              Guillemets? I thought that was French for "Williams". :P
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                              Postby Kwisatz » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:58 am

                              I'd like to share with all of you this text I found in Locus magazine.

                              Letter from Locus #216, Vol. 11, No. 9, Nov 1978, page 13:

                              Dear Charlie:
                              After reading Craig Miller’s letter in your October issue (#215, Vol. 11, No. 8) I found the urge to respond irresistible. You can measure the power of the urge by the fact that this is the first letter I have ever written to a publication such as yours.
                              Mr. Miller, for those who may have come in late, signs himself “Director of Fan Relations” for LUCASFILM LIMITED. The thrust of his argument is to defend George Lucas’s position in trying to protect the Star Wars “universe” (Mr. Miller’s word) from copyright infringement by fan clubs and such.
                              Mr. Miller’s argument is both legally and morally sound. The particular universe created by a writer, and especially the peculiar distinguishing characteristics of that universe, should be the property of the person who created them. Mr. Miller states that viewpoint with admirably clarity. I find myself in complete sympathy with what he says, but I remain astonished at hearing the argument from that particular source.

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                              Postby Omphalos » Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:33 am

                              Amen, brother Frank!
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                              Postby ᴶᵛᵀᴬ » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:46 pm

                              Kwisatz wrote:I'd like to share with all of you this text I found in Locus magazine.

                              Letter from Locus #216, Vol. 11, No. 9, Nov 1978, page 13:

                              Dear Charlie:
                              After reading Craig Miller’s letter in your October issue (#215, Vol. 11, No. 8) I found the urge to respond irresistible. You can measure the power of the urge by the fact that this is the first letter I have ever written to a publication such as yours.
                              Mr. Miller, for those who may have come in late, signs himself “Director of Fan Relations” for LUCASFILM LIMITED. The thrust of his argument is to defend George Lucas’s position in trying to protect the Star Wars “universe” (Mr. Miller’s word) from copyright infringement by fan clubs and such.
                              Mr. Miller’s argument is both legally and morally sound. The particular universe created by a writer, and especially the peculiar distinguishing characteristics of that universe, should be the property of the person who created them. Mr. Miller states that viewpoint with admirably clarity. I find myself in complete sympathy with what he says, but I remain astonished at hearing the argument from that particular source.

                              -- Frank Herbert


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                                  Postby Kwisatz » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:19 am

                                  Voice Lessons: The Seductive Appeal of Vocal Control in Frank Herbert's Dune
                                  Publication: Journal of the Fantastic in the Arts
                                  Author: Mack, Robert L
                                  Date published: January 1, 2011

                                  Whole text here: http://www.faqs.org/periodicals/201101/2349813601.html
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                                  Postby D Pope » Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:39 pm

                                  I rather enjoyed that, thanks mate!


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                                  Postby Kwisatz » Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:57 am

                                  In Foundation magazine 104 from Autumn 2009 there is an article:
                                  Postcolonialism and the Transhistorical in Dune by Gerald Gaylard

                                  You can order it here: http://www.sf-foundation.org/publicatio ... ue104.html

                                  I also found those back issues useful:
                                  FOUNDATION 10 (Hellstrom review)
                                  FOUNDATION 15 (Dosadi review)
                                  FOUNDATION 19 (Jesus Incident review)
                                  FOUNDATION 23 (Direct Descent review & GEoD, Nebula 15 review)
                                  FOUNDATION 27, Feb 1983 (White Plague review)
                                  FOUNDATION 30 (Lazarus review)
                                  FOUNDATION 31, 7/84 (White Plague & Destination Void & HoD review)

                                  If you know any other, please share with us ;)
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                                  Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

                                  Postby Omphalos » Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:23 pm

                                  Kwisatz wrote:In Foundation magazine 104 from Autumn 2009 there is an article:
                                  Postcolonialism and the Transhistorical in Dune by Gerald Gaylard

                                  You can order it here: http://www.sf-foundation.org/publicatio ... ue104.html

                                  I also found those back issues useful:
                                  FOUNDATION 10 (Hellstrom review)
                                  FOUNDATION 15 (Dosadi review)
                                  FOUNDATION 19 (Jesus Incident review)
                                  FOUNDATION 23 (Direct Descent review & GEoD, Nebula 15 review)
                                  FOUNDATION 27, Feb 1983 (White Plague review)
                                  FOUNDATION 30 (Lazarus review)
                                  FOUNDATION 31, 7/84 (White Plague & Destination Void & HoD review)

                                  If you know any other, please share with us ;)


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                                  Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

                                  Postby Rymoah » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:11 am

                                  Greetings,

                                  I don't know if you're already aware of this. Today, asking Kevin Williams the permission to translate his Imperialism & Globalization: Lessons from Frank Herbert's Dune, he told me that he has a 450 pages manuscript on Dune due to be published by Hampton Press this year. After doing some research with Google, I think he's referring to this:

                                  Wisdom of the Sand: Philosophy and Frank Herbert's Dune

                                  Amazon mentions March 2011 as publication date, but evidently it has been delayed.

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                                  Postby Kwisatz » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:36 am

                                  Very good info! I'm not sure if it's good choice to publish 2 books about Philosophy in Dune within 2 years, though ;)
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                                  Postby Omphalos » Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:40 am

                                  I don't see any mention of it at the Hampton Press web-site

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                                  Postby ° » Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:36 pm

                                  All in all, that story sounds a little weirdo to me, but assuming it is true, why Hampton Press didn't do anything to confirm the book release ? Is it normal ?
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                                  Postby Omphalos » Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:48 pm

                                  LLb wrote:All in all, that story sounds a little weirdo to me, but assuming it is true, why Hampton Press didn't do anything to confirm the book release ? Is it normal ?


                                  Sometimes those small presses are one-man or -woman operations that can't get to everything in a timely manner. I don't think it's too unusual.
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                                  Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

                                  Postby Rymoah » Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:26 pm

                                  Hi all,

                                  After two months of research I managed to contact Dr. David M. Miller, author of the monograph "Frank Herbert", published by Starmont House in 1980, in order to ask him permission to translate it in Italian. He told me that he wrote also a chapter entitled "Toward a Structural Metaphysic: Religion in the Novels of Frank Herbert" that appears in The Transcendent Adventure: Studies of Religion in Science Fiction/Fantasy, edited by Robert Reilly (Greenwood,1985), pp. 145-156. I thought it could be useful to post the reference in this bibliographical thread. ;)

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                                  Postby Omphalos » Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:40 pm

                                  Rymoah wrote:Hi all,

                                  After two months of research I managed to contact Dr. David M. Miller, author of the monograph "Frank Herbert", published by Starmont House in 1980, in order to ask him permission to translate it in Italian. He told me that he wrote also a chapter entitled "Toward a Structural Metaphysic: Religion in the Novels of Frank Herbert" that appears in The Transcendent Adventure: Studies of Religion in Science Fiction/Fantasy, edited by Robert Reilly (Greenwood,1985), pp. 145-156. I thought it could be useful to post the reference in this bibliographical thread. ;)

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                                  Thanks! I have a ton of stuff I need to add to this bibliography. Ill add it. That is a chapter in a book. Wonder if it's available at Google books?

                                  Did he give you permission to translate?
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                                  Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

                                  Postby Rymoah » Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:48 pm

                                  Omphalos wrote:Thanks! I have a ton of stuff I need to add to this bibliography. Ill add it. That is a chapter in a book. Wonder if it's available at Google books?


                                  Unfortunately no, I just checked at this link.
                                  On Amazon, the book can be bought for... 125$ :shock=: On AbeBooks it seems to be available at more reasonable prices.

                                  Did he give you permission to translate?


                                  He did for the monograph. Regarding the chapter, I asked him if we can publish a translation on our webzine (but then again, there will be the problem to find a copy of the book :) )

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                                  Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

                                  Postby Omphalos » Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:57 pm

                                  Rymoah wrote:
                                  Omphalos wrote:Thanks! I have a ton of stuff I need to add to this bibliography. Ill add it. That is a chapter in a book. Wonder if it's available at Google books?


                                  Unfortunately no, I just checked at this link.
                                  On Amazon, the book can be bought for... 125$ :shock=: On AbeBooks it seems to be available at more reasonable prices.

                                  Did he give you permission to translate?


                                  He did for the monograph. Regarding the chapter, I asked him if we can publish a translation on our webzine (but then again, there will be the problem to find a copy of the book :) )

                                  Rymoah


                                  Greenwood/CLEO is notorious for overpricing. But they do tend to wind up in a lot of university collections. I'm sure WorldCat can point us in the right direction. :wink:
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                                  Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

                                  Postby Rymoah » Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:11 am

                                  Omphalos wrote:
                                  Rymoah wrote:
                                  Omphalos wrote:Thanks! I have a ton of stuff I need to add to this bibliography. Ill add it. That is a chapter in a book. Wonder if it's available at Google books?


                                  Unfortunately no, I just checked at this link.
                                  On Amazon, the book can be bought for... 125$ :shock=: On AbeBooks it seems to be available at more reasonable prices.

                                  Did he give you permission to translate?


                                  He did for the monograph. Regarding the chapter, I asked him if we can publish a translation on our webzine (but then again, there will be the problem to find a copy of the book :) )

                                  Rymoah


                                  Greenwood/CLEO is notorious for overpricing. But they do tend to wind up in a lot of university collections. I'm sure WorldCat can point us in the right direction. :wink:


                                  In facts, I was thinking to use the WorldCat also for this book:

                                  Palumbo, Donald E., Chaos Theory, Asimov's Foundations and Robots and Herbert's Dune: The Fractal Aesthetic of Epic Science Fiction.

                                  What a coincidence, also this title has been published by Greenwood. :D

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                                  Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

                                  Postby Kwisatz » Wed May 09, 2012 12:40 am

                                  ULFSurfer found a new book with FH's text which wasn't mentioned in BH's, Payne's or Levack's bibliographies.
                                  The title is Hagoth and subject is the Voice ;)
                                  You can see it here with the Lie detector: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 500wt_1199
                                  I won this one today.
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                                  Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

                                  Postby Omphalos » Wed May 09, 2012 9:51 am

                                  Kwisatz wrote:ULFSurfer found a new book with FH's text which wasn't mentioned in BH's, Payne's or Levack's bibliographies.
                                  The title is Hagoth and subject is the Voice ;)
                                  You can see it here with the Lie detector: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 500wt_1199
                                  I won this one today.


                                  So that box has a manual in it that has something by Herbert? That is totally cool. That must be the gizmo he hooked Bruce and Bobo up to. I would love to read Herbert's portion. I wonder if it's anything more than a promotion.
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                                  Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

                                  Postby Kwisatz » Wed May 09, 2012 10:04 am

                                  I'm not quite sure if it's a manual per se. 117p:
                                  http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDet ... D0%26y%3D0
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                                  Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

                                  Postby ULFsurfer » Wed May 09, 2012 6:04 pm

                                  A real manual to use the Voice! Kwisatz, if you may I would like to have a peak in this book once it arrives at my place.
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                                  Postby Omphalos » Wed May 09, 2012 6:23 pm

                                  ULFsurfer wrote:A real manual to use the Voice! Kwisatz, if you may I would like to have a peak in this book once it arrives at my place.


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                                  Postby ᴶᵛᵀᴬ » Wed May 09, 2012 10:15 pm

                                  Omphalos wrote:
                                  I'll pone better; scant and shoot it to me so everyone can see it!


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                                      Postby Kwisatz » Wed May 09, 2012 10:32 pm

                                      Yeah, the best we can do :)
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                                      Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

                                      Postby Rymoah » Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:15 am

                                      Just found this one on Smashword.com:

                                      Four Science Fiction Masters: Herbert, Pohl, Simak & Dickson

                                      It seems to contain an interview with Herbert that has never been published elsewhere. ;)

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                                      Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

                                      Postby Kwisatz » Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:41 pm

                                      I saw today on eBay new book (1 month old) by Eric Otto - the same whose thesis we have in first post - there is some material about Dune there:
                                      Green Speculations: Science Fiction and Transformative Environmentalism
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                                      Postby ᴶᵛᵀᴬ » Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:44 pm

                                      Kwisatz wrote:I saw today on eBay new book (1 month old) by Eric Otto - the same whose thesis we have in first post - there is some material about Dune there:
                                      Green Speculations: Science Fiction and Transformative Environmentalism
                                      http://www.amazon.com/Green-Speculation ... 0814212034


                                      Thanks for the reference. It's an abridged version of the doctoral dissertation (176p).


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                                          Postby Omphalos » Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:18 pm

                                          Looks like the link on the bibliography is broken. Makes sense if he is selling it now.
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                                          Postby lotek » Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:59 am

                                          Just a quick note of thanks for all your hard work guys, it's great to be able to get more material and references !
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                                          Postby ᴶᵛᵀᴬ » Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:38 pm

                                          Omphalos wrote:Looks like the link on the bibliography is broken. Makes sense if he is selling it now.


                                          Just found this link : http://etd.fcla.edu/UF/UFE0000587/otto_e.pdf Enjoy ;)


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                                              Postby Omphalos » Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:14 pm

                                              I really need to go through this and get it all up to date.
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                                              Postby ᴶᵛᵀᴬ » Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:35 am

                                              [quote="Omphalos"]
                                              PS: Mark, the webmaster of DuneInfo sent me a scan of the Dune: Deluxe Souvenir Songbook :dance:

                                              Is this sheet music, Jo?


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                                                  Zeuhl wrote:
                                                  Just found this link : http://etd.fcla.edu/UF/UFE0000587/otto_e.pdf Enjoy ;)


                                                  My two favorite book series treated in the same thesis (Dune & Mars trilogy). Gotta read this one too.. when time permits. Too busy writing my own dissertation.
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                                                  Postby Omphalos » Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:30 pm

                                                  Zeuhl wrote:
                                                  Omphalos wrote:I really need to go through this and get it all up to date.


                                                  We have so much work to do to build our "Dune ISFDB". So much work to do to get the place open.. And this will be even more night work as we are all working hard at the day jobs...
                                                  Years of late nights and early mornings are taking their toll but soon we will be ready to rock! :wink:

                                                  PS: Mark, the webmaster of DuneInfo sent me a scan of the Dune: Deluxe Souvenir Songbook :dance:


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                                                  Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

                                                  Postby Omphalos » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:20 pm

                                                  Looks like Worm's Sci Fi Haven has gone the way of the dodo. I was expecting this, as the boardware had become corrupted. I had lost my admin password to get in long ago, and couldn't even take a look under the hood to see what was going on.

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                                                  Postby Serkanner » Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:40 am

                                                  Omphalos wrote:Looks like Worm's Sci Fi Haven has gone the way of the dodo. I was expecting this, as the boardware had become corrupted. I had lost my admin password to get in long ago, and couldn't even take a look under the hood to see what was going on.

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                                                  Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

                                                  Postby Robspierre » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:43 pm

                                                  Omph, do you have a pdf of the Dune Chronicles of the Imperium PDF? I just found a copy sitting in an old folder on a dying hard drive.

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                                                  Postby Omphalos » Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:33 am

                                                  I don't think so Rob. Can you shoot it to me?
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                                                  Postby Robspierre » Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:03 pm

                                                  The PDF is too big for email so here is a link that will be good for 7 Days.



                                                  http://www.sendspace.com/file/leghql


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                                                  Postby Omphalos » Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:14 pm

                                                  Thanks. I will take a look when I get home from work.
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                                                  Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

                                                  Postby Eyes High » Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:44 am

                                                  Omphalos wrote:Looks like Worm's Sci Fi Haven has gone the way of the dodo. I was expecting this, as the boardware had become corrupted. I had lost my admin password to get in long ago, and couldn't even take a look under the hood to see what was going on.

                                                  http://www.wormsscifi.com/haven/

                                                  Yeah, I will miss it. Ninti couldn't even sign in with her administration password.

                                                  I never did get all the stories copied off of the RPG. :-(

                                                  But Worm just had too much going on in real life to keep up with the Haven.

                                                  That's why those five days that I couldn't sign in here or at Jac had me a little worried. I thought I was losing them too.
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                                                  Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

                                                  Postby ᴶᵛᵀᴬ » Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:59 pm

                                                  Eyes High wrote:
                                                  Omphalos wrote:Looks like Worm's Sci Fi Haven has gone the way of the dodo. I was expecting this, as the boardware had become corrupted. I had lost my admin password to get in long ago, and couldn't even take a look under the hood to see what was going on.

                                                  http://www.wormsscifi.com/haven/

                                                  Yeah, I will miss it. Ninti couldn't even sign in with her administration password.

                                                  I never did get all the stories copied off of the RPG. :-(

                                                  But Worm just had too much going on in real life to keep up with the Haven.

                                                  That's why those five days that I couldn't sign in here or at Jac had me a little worried. I thought I was losing them too.


                                                  The Wayback Machine at Internet Archive could not have been more helpful : https://web.archive.org/web/20131209041814/http://wormsscifi.com/haven/


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                                                      Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

                                                      Postby Eyes High » Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:10 pm

                                                      Zeuhl wrote:
                                                      Eyes High wrote:
                                                      Omphalos wrote:Looks like Worm's Sci Fi Haven has gone the way of the dodo. I was expecting this, as the boardware had become corrupted. I had lost my admin password to get in long ago, and couldn't even take a look under the hood to see what was going on.

                                                      http://www.wormsscifi.com/haven/

                                                      Yeah, I will miss it. Ninti couldn't even sign in with her administration password.

                                                      I never did get all the stories copied off of the RPG. :-(

                                                      But Worm just had too much going on in real life to keep up with the Haven.

                                                      That's why those five days that I couldn't sign in here or at Jac had me a little worried. I thought I was losing them too.


                                                      The Wayback Machine at Internet Archive could not have been more helpful : https://web.archive.org/web/20131209041814/http://wormsscifi.com/haven/

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                                                      Well, I still love you but I can't actually access the story thru that. Unfortunately it keeps telling me the "wayback machine doesn't have that page" :cry:

                                                      Thanks again my friend. Love you. I think between Mahnmut and I that we have everything we wrote, or at least what we wrote together, but I just took too long to save the other stuff. :cry:


                                                      At least we still have T(A)U and Jac.
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                                                      Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

                                                      Postby Omphalos » Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:26 pm

                                                      Eyes High wrote:At least we still have T(A)U and Jac.


                                                      Yes we do. And sorry about missing that they were down for a week. I was in Seattle in trial that week, and I tend to literally block everything else out when I am in trial.
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                                                      Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

                                                      Postby Kwisatz » Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:31 pm

                                                      Great news nad now confirmed!

                                                      I know a guy from Iran, who translated Dune to Farsi. It took him 3 years. He didn't believe in it but he found a publisher and it will be the first Dune in any arabic as far as I know ;) ETA - 6 months ;)
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                                                      Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

                                                      Postby ᴶᵛᵀᴬ » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:12 am

                                                      Kwisatz wrote:Great news nad now confirmed!

                                                      I know a guy from Iran, who translated Dune to Farsi. It took him 3 years. He didn't believe in it but he found a publisher and it will be the first Dune in any arabic as far as I know ;) ETA - 6 months ;)


                                                      Great news :clap:

                                                      I WANT THIS BOOK !!!

                                                      Eyes High wrote:Edited to add:

                                                      Well, I still love you but I can't actually access the story thru that. Unfortunately it keeps telling me the "wayback machine doesn't have that page" :cry:



                                                      Try another date. The Wayback Machine 's crawls show erratic results ; for instance : https://web.archive.org/web/20071026044 ... php?t=2969


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                                                          Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

                                                          Postby Kwisatz » Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:13 pm

                                                          I have 1st chapter in my collection ;D
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                                                          Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

                                                          Postby Kwisatz » Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:57 am

                                                          My friend from China confirmed that there will be new Dune edition and first with 6 Dunes published.
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                                                          Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

                                                          Postby Omphalos » Wed Sep 03, 2014 1:56 pm

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                                                          Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

                                                          Postby ᴶᵛᵀᴬ » Sun Mar 22, 2015 4:22 am

                                                          Omphalos wrote:


                                                          BOOKS TO BE PUBLISHED

                                                          There is also rumored to be a book coming out next year by LegendMaker Scriptoria that is apparently titled The Synopsis Treasury of Science Fiction & Fantasy, which will include letters that Frank Herbert exchanged with Damon Knight in the 1960's. I have no other information on this book right now, as the publisher will not return my e-mails, and it is not yet listed on thier website. UPDATE: I have spoken to the author, C.S. Haviland, and he has indeed confirmed that this book will include items from FH's estate, including correspondence between Herbert and Knight. This is going to be a huge book that includes synopses and story pitches from the following authors: H. G. Wells, Robert A. Heinlein, Andre Norton, Jack Williamson, Frederik Pohl, Ben Bova, Terry Brooks, Piers Anthony, Orson Scott Card, David Brin, Connie Willis, David Drake, L. E. Modesitt, Kevin J. Anderson (arg!), Joe Haldeman, Sara Douglass, and various others. According to Haviland he is gathering various permissions from agents for the following who may be included in the book: Isaac Asimov, E. E. "Doc" Smith, Arthur C. Clarke, Jack Vance, Robert Silverberg, Keith Laumer, Roger Zelazny, Brian W. Aldiss, Philip K. Dick, Poul Anderson, Kurt Vonnegut Jr. , Chad Oliver, John Brunner, James Blish, Harry Harrison, Gordon R. Dickson, Philip Jose Farmer, and others. He plans on publishing this year, but is having trouble getting agents to respond to him, and is still shopping for a publisher. Ill let you know if this comes out.






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                                                              Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

                                                              Postby Omphalos » Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:52 am

                                                              I am really surprised that he ever got this one out. Good that he did, and I would really like to see what is in it, but surprised nonetheless.
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                                                              Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

                                                              Postby Kwisatz » Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:35 am

                                                              Guess what... I found it on kjablog. There is whole story there, how he was struggling with publishers and 'life' to finally publish it.
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                                                              Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

                                                              Postby Omphalos » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:37 am

                                                              Ahhh. What a shame. I spoke to the author (can't remember if I "spoke" to him on the phone or traded emails; it was long ago) and he told me he was having trouble finding a publisher. Nobody woudl take the book. I guess he felt he had to go to KJA's vanity press.

                                                              I am interested in reading that book, but I refuse to give KJA one more cent of my money, so I guess I miss out on this one.

                                                              EDIT:

                                                              Haviland wrote:"Kevin’s first concern was that The Synopsis Treasury tried to accomplish too much. I had collected too many chapters, and the page count was exceptional. It had suffered from scope creep. "


                                                              Are you fucking kidding me?
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