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Brian and Kevie go to Sacramento

Postby Omphalos » Sun Sep 21, 2008 3:19 pm

I just got back from their Paul of Dune presentation at one of our local Barnes and Noble Bookstores in Sacramento. It was even a greater waste of time than the one in Seattle. They have their scripts down pat at this point, and the jokes just rolled off their tongues like Model T's must have rolled off of their own assembly lines. And no, I did not buy a book for signature.

Brian opened up with this question: "How many of you are still confused about Dune Messiah?" Not, "how many of you were confused when you first read it" but, "how many of you potato-heads still don't get it?" At least 1/2 of the hands went up. Most of the book talk was to tell the audience about how they no longer have to fret, because Brian and Kevie are here to explain things to them slowly, as many times as it takes to stick.

Kevin even said that Tom Doherty, the chief editor at Tor, told him that "thanks to you and Brian, Messiah now makes sense." Thanks guys.

I was only allowed to ask one question this time, like the last. I asked both of them who their literary heroes are, other than Frank Herbert. They literally both stared at me for five seconds, then both said "well, uh...pretty much Frank Herbert only." Kevin mentioned one other author, but I was not quick enough to get his name, and he also disavowed any pulp links - He said that this is much, much more than a monster story. I'm sure it is, Kevie.

I did get two packs of gummi-worms. I'm about to have my kids transform them into shit for me. Wish them luck!

Whoever else is going to one of these things, there are two things I want to say. First, please post here with your experiences, and second, watch out for these two. Do not ask open ended questions because they will, without fail, turn it around to a book that they have written no matter what you ask about. Be as closed as possible, or they will avoid your question and ramble about something else.

Oh, and one other thing. This time they said that they are higher on the "movie food chain" than the writers. So put that in your pipe and smoke it. They also said that when they get down to LA they will be having a meeting about the movie's progress. Per Brian they have until the end of this month to have a working script or the option expires.
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Postby SandChigger » Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:31 pm

But that Zeitdammerling (whatever) guy is writing the script, no?

Ugh! :roll:
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Re: Brian and Kevie go to Sacramento

Postby Ampoliros » Sun Sep 21, 2008 6:41 pm

Omphalos wrote:Oh, and one other thing. This time they said that they are higher on the "movie food chain" than the writers. So put that in your pipe and smoke it. They also said that when they get down to LA they will be having a meeting about the movie's progress. Per Brian they have until the end of this month to have a working script or the option expires.


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Re: Brian and Kevie go to Sacramento

Postby GamePlayer » Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:01 pm

Omphalos wrote:I just got back from their Paul of Dune presentation at one of our local Barnes and Noble Bookstores in Sacramento.

Oh, and one other thing. This time they said that they are higher on the "movie food chain" than the writers. So put that in your pipe and smoke it. They also said that when they get down to LA they will be having a meeting about the movie's progress. Per Brian they have until the end of this month to have a working script or the option expires.


I'm definitely going to note this. When the movie becomes a complete failure, I can't wait for the about face these two goons will make in an attempt to jump ship.

KJA/BH, September 2008: "We're very involved with the new film and quite high up the film production food chain".

KJA/BH, circa fallout of 2010: "Actually, Brian and I had very little to do with the film other than meet with the production staff to discuss progress".

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Postby Omphalos » Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:53 pm

Since its sure to at the very least introduce Norma, there will be no way for them to do that. :twisted:
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Postby Ampoliros » Mon Sep 22, 2008 3:31 pm

"Norma is Frank Herbert's invention, we just 'fleshed out' her story a bit."

I'm suggesting this is their defense. Norma Cenva is a creation of Frank Herbert. The whole ugly dwarf turned supermodel-ubergod just gets 'added in' later.
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Postby Omphalos » Mon Sep 22, 2008 3:34 pm

I wonder if they will include a scene where Paul is born and the worms on Arrakis dance with joy? :roll:
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Postby Omphalos » Mon Sep 22, 2008 3:39 pm

SandChigger wrote:But that Zeitdammerling (whatever) guy is writing the script, no?

Ugh! :roll:


I assume so. From what they said I gather that the option has milestones that the production company has to meet inorder to keep it from reverting to the true owner of the interest. From what they said they do not expect any problems to arise at this point, so I guess they are expecting a working draft to be ready, or what ever the option calls for. But whatever it is, its probably just a modicum of proof that the studio is pushing the project along, and not allowing it to lag or die. They put so much time and effort into getting this thing done, I doubt that anything less than totally ignoring the project would result in a reversion.
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Re: Brian and Kevie go to Sacramento

Postby Freakzilla » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:07 pm

Omphalos wrote:Brian opened up with this question: "How many of you are still confused about Dune Messiah?" Not, "how many of you were confused when you first read it" but, "how many of you potato-heads still don't get it?" At least 1/2 of the hands went up. Most of the book talk was to tell the audience about how they no longer have to fret, because Brian and Kevie are here to explain things to them slowly, as many times as it takes to stick.

Kevin even said that Tom Doherty, the chief editor at Tor, told him that "thanks to you and Brian, Messiah now makes sense." Thanks guys.


I think I just threw up in my mouth. Maybe it's because I've read it several times but I don't think DM was all that hard to understand. Even if I didn't, I wouldn't trust Pinky & the Brian to explain the instructions on a bottle of shampoo to me. That just makes me sick.

Oh, and one other thing. This time they said that they are higher on the "movie food chain" than the writers. So put that in your pipe and smoke it. They also said that when they get down to LA they will be having a meeting about the movie's progress. Per Brian they have until the end of this month to have a working script or the option expires.


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Re: Brian and Kevie go to Sacramento

Postby Omphalos » Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:16 pm

Freakzilla wrote:Which book of theirs is being made into a movie again???


I think its called Spice Planet.
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Postby A Thing of Eternity » Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:44 am

Ampoliros wrote:"Norma is Frank Herbert's invention, we just 'fleshed out' her story a bit."


Did they actually say that or are you just predicting? I'm still waiting to here them out and out lie about this, so far they've just danced around the issue.

Freakzilla wrote:
Omphalos wrote:Kevin even said that Tom Doherty, the chief editor at Tor, told him that "thanks to you and Brian, Messiah now makes sense." Thanks guys.


I think I just threw up in my mouth. Maybe it's because I've read it several times but I don't think DM was all that hard to understand. Even if I didn't, I wouldn't trust Pinky & the Brian to explain the instructions on a bottle of shampoo to me. That just makes me sick.


That's the same thought I had, who exactly didn't understand the change in DM? I got it immediately the first time I read it and I hadn't even figured out that FH was writing about the danger of heroes yet, it was just obvious.

Even if a person doesn't understand it for the first bit, FH does have some passages where it explains why... really didn't need to be a book.
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Postby Nekhrun » Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:52 am

A Thing of Eternity wrote:
Ampoliros wrote:"Norma is Frank Herbert's invention, we just 'fleshed out' her story a bit."


Did they actually say that or are you just predicting? I'm still waiting to here them out and out lie about this, so far they've just danced around the issue.
I think he just said that, but it happens to be true. FH did mention her first. I didn't realize what he meant by her name though until I realized that she was God.
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Postby A Thing of Eternity » Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:06 am

Nekhrun wrote:
A Thing of Eternity wrote:
Ampoliros wrote:"Norma is Frank Herbert's invention, we just 'fleshed out' her story a bit."


Did they actually say that or are you just predicting? I'm still waiting to here them out and out lie about this, so far they've just danced around the issue.
I think he just said that, but it happens to be true. FH did mention her first. I didn't realize what he meant by her name though until I realized that she was God.


Shit, I hadn't had my coffee yet, I forgot that Norma was mentioned by FH (actually, I forgot that Norma and Oracle are not synonyms). I'm awake now. :oops:
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Postby The Phantom » Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:34 am

A Thing of Eternity wrote:
Nekhrun wrote:
A Thing of Eternity wrote:
Ampoliros wrote:"Norma is Frank Herbert's invention, we just 'fleshed out' her story a bit."


Did they actually say that or are you just predicting? I'm still waiting to here them out and out lie about this, so far they've just danced around the issue.
I think he just said that, but it happens to be true. FH did mention her first. I didn't realize what he meant by her name though until I realized that she was God.


Shit, I hadn't had my coffee yet, I forgot that Norma was mentioned by FH (actually, I forgot that Norma and Oracle are not synonyms). I'm awake now. :oops:



hold the phone... can someone post a quote of FH's Norma reference?
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Postby A Thing of Eternity » Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:52 am

I think it's in GEoD...

Who has ever heard of Norma Cenva? I have lived her!"


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with five children.


Both of those are obviously Leto II talking.
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Postby GamePlayer » Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:29 pm

Omphalos wrote:Since its sure to at the very least introduce Norma, there will be no way for them to do that. :twisted:


LOL :) 2010 is going to be a very good year :)
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Postby Omphalos » Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:45 pm

Anyone else wondering if SC has been "detained" by the Dayton PD?
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Postby SandChigger » Fri Oct 03, 2008 8:54 pm

The "long arm of the Dayton law" doesn't extend over the Pacific, I'm afraid.

Sorry, folks, but classes started up again on the 1st, and I've been back over here since last Friday. :oops:

My travel plans were already set and the tickets bought and paid for by the time I found out Kevin was going to be in Dayton. Raising Cain at a book signing didn't seem like a valid excuse for missing a few days of work.

But I hoped that hyping it up would attract the attention of a Preeq or two and that word would get back to The Hack himself and cause him at least a little buttcrack moisture. ;)

If I really were going to attend an event involving these jokers, I wouldn't bother with one where just Kevin was present. I mean, after all, who the fuck is Kevin, anyway? Brian's the Herbert, supposedly; he's the fuzzy one, the weak link, who has to be the focus of any real probing inquiry.

Also, since I firmly believe that most Preeqs are idiots and not above violence, I certainly wouldn't announce where I was going to be ahead of time.

I'm not an idiot, after all. ;)
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Postby Rakis » Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:05 pm

Damn! It would have been so kewl... :)
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Postby SandChigger » Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:32 pm

Sorry to disappoint.

This time.

One day I'll be back and in the US permanently. Then we'll up the ante and put things in "high-gear". ;)
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Postby Omphalos » Sat Oct 04, 2008 1:16 am

Huh :?:

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Postby SandChigger » Sat Oct 04, 2008 2:31 pm

No, you correctly interpreted what I misrepresented.

If I'd been able to stay longer in the States, I would have really gone. (Just not publicized it until after the fact.)

As I've already said, I was hoping someone would pass along the word to Kevvy and get him excited. We'll never know for sure if it worked, I guess. ;)

Again, sorry for the deception.

Was talking to Teg the other day and concluded in Leto II style, concerning the fake PoD chapter and now this, "My gift to you is uncertainty."
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Postby Omphalos » Sun Oct 05, 2008 1:20 am

:lol:
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Postby inhuien » Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:42 am

SandChigger wrote:"My gift to you is uncertainty."


Tut, does that mean I've got to think now rather that just react!!
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Postby SandChigger » Sun Oct 05, 2008 1:54 pm

Maybe.

Maybe not.

The answer is...uncertain. :lol:
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Postby inhuien » Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:48 am

You, sir, are a cad. :P :D
Look, I'm not much good at big speeches, and I know I haven't always been an easy guy to get on with, and I know, that given the choice, I wouldn't have chosen you as friends, but I just want to say, that over the years, I have come to regard you as people I met.

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Postby Rakis » Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:37 pm

inhuien wrote:You, sir, are a cad. :P :D


I'm not certain about that... :?
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Postby Sparafucile » Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:43 am

You devilish fiend! I love it. The fact that it was all a ruse to get KJA nervous somehow makes it all better. :D

Too bad though. I'd of loved to hear about it. Someday...
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Postby Tleilax Master B » Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:49 am

Oh i guarantee Kevie was looking over his shoulder at that little event. :wink:

If I ever make to one of these stinkers, I have every intention of making it a bit tense. I fully intend to have to be removed. I'm going to state matter-of-factly "Hi, you know me from the dunenovels forum as Tleilax Master B. I think you have completely butchered most of the Tleilaxu storylines and I have some specific inconsistencies I would like cleared up....". They'll have me shuffled out of there faster than shit. :twisted:
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Postby Freakzilla » Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:04 am

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Postby Omphalos » Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:05 am

Don't worry. They will be doing these group gropes for years to come.
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