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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Omphalos » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:00 pm

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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Leto247 » Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:39 am

Hello, everybody. It´s been a while (although i must confess that i´ve been lurking over here for a little while).
Omph, i would L-O-V-E to have a copy of that manuscript. Did Mr. Prosser told you when is he going to send it to you?
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Omphalos » Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:50 am

Im actually expecting it any day now. He put it in the mail to me on Tuesday. If it comes today Im sure I can scan it in on Sunday. Should be any day now, Jose.
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Postby Joseph-V. T. Askaris » Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:09 pm

Himachil wrote:I've had this for ages... but I have a Dune book I can't see on your list.

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It's the first book.. but adapted down to 144 pages (presumably for schools etc) by Rosemary Border (c) 1980 Oxford University Press.

I've not read it properly, but it cuts things like all the chapter epigraphs and looses a load of terminology - like ornithopters - which are always referred to as 'aircraft', or 'helicopters'. :roll:



Dune
Frank Herbert ; adapted by Rosemary Border
Oxford University Press (Alpha science fiction)
1980, 144 p.
ISBN 0194242390

Subjects :
PRECIS:English language. Reading books - For non-English speaking students ,
LCSH:English language -- Text-books for foreigners ,
LCSH:Readers -- 1950-

I found this .... in Japan :D

NII [National Institute of Infomatics - Japan]
GeNii WebCat Plus - the NII Academic Content Portal
→ on line :
<http://webcatplus.nii.ac.jp/en/>
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby inhuien » Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:32 am

Bravo Omphalos, I'd like a copy as well please. Will you be getting it as a hard or soft copy?
Look, I'm not much good at big speeches, and I know I haven't always been an easy guy to get on with, and I know, that given the choice, I wouldn't have chosen you as friends, but I just want to say, that over the years, I have come to regard you as people I met.

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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Omphalos » Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:39 am

Its a manuscript, on loose paper. I have it and have read it. It actually touches on most of Herbert's works with a significant part dedicated to all six Dune works. The author discusses mysticism and religious derivation in Dune, then discusses the literary more than the SF themes. It's actually quite good. Ill be scanning it in and sending it out as a PDF sometime next week.
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby inhuien » Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:57 am

I hope you have a scanner with one of those loadable hooper things and don't have to scan it one page at-a-time, cheers for your hardwork in putting this all together. :)
Look, I'm not much good at big speeches, and I know I haven't always been an easy guy to get on with, and I know, that given the choice, I wouldn't have chosen you as friends, but I just want to say, that over the years, I have come to regard you as people I met.

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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Omphalos » Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:22 am

Page-at-a-time for me, baby! But that is no problem. I can do 95 pages in less than an hour.

I was hoping I could talk Jose into doing an OCR, perfecting the manuscript and setting it up for an offset print so I could get a copy or two bound. :whistle:
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Leto247 » Fri Mar 19, 2010 3:21 am

I hear you, Omph, I hear you :)=
The truth is afer more than four volumes of my personal Rakis Hoard, I´ve grown a little bit tired of the enormous work that means layout a book from scrath. In fact, in volume IV (containing "the political philosophy of dune" and "the shape of the hero in modern epic fantasy", by the way: thanks again, Omphalos :wink: ) I opted to leave the materials in their original form and print it that way, in a facsimile edition kind of way.
Of course, maybe after seeing Mr. Prosser´s manuscript I´ll change my mind and start again but i still think that it is too much work for such an amateur outcome.
Anyway, I was thinking that you really deserve a cake or something for all the woderful job that you have been doing in this page, but now that i know that you have to scann "Page-at-a-time" i´ve started to think that it should be one of those cakes with a striper inside, paid by all of us :twisted: .
Now, seriusly, it would be my plasure to order two copies at my bookbinder and send one of them to you in gratitude of all the great documents that you have provided us here all this time, may it be a facsimile edition or a layout edition, that remains to be seen :D .
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Omphalos » Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:43 pm

I spoke to the special collections librarian at the Siuslaw Library in Florence, Oregon earlier today. She told me that the Herbert collection is listed in their catalog. Here is a listing of every volume that they have that was donated by Penny Merritt to them after they constructed the building in 1990. She referred to it as a "tip of the iceberg" type of collection, in that it does not contain every book he owned. Its largley fiction, non-fiction and translations of Herbert's works. They also have a lot of memorabilia from other media, such as film and audio recording up there.

I had a pretty good discussion with the librarian, who said that she knows a lot about Herbert and his work on the local dune article. One thing she mentioned, which I found fascinating, is that a very small worm lives in the dunes, and when examined microscopically it has a three-lipped mouth that is very similar to the worms as shown in the movies. Unfortunately she hedged a bit and said that she was not 100% certain about that. Any bug lovers out there have a way of finding out what that species of worm is called? She also said that it might be a form of crustaceon.

She also said that there are "several" interviews of Herbert up there that cannot be found elsewhere. Looks like its time for another trip!

I have not looked through this yet, but I figured many of you would be interested in this.
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby SandChigger » Mon Mar 29, 2010 11:42 pm

Cool.
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Freakzilla » Sat Apr 03, 2010 12:57 pm

Omphalos wrote:I spoke to the special collections librarian at the Siuslaw Library in Florence, Oregon earlier today. She told me that the Herbert collection is listed in their catalog. Here is a listing of every volume that they have that was donated by Penny Merritt to them after they constructed the building in 1990. She referred to it as a "tip of the iceberg" type of collection, in that it does not contain every book he owned. Its largley fiction, non-fiction and translations of Herbert's works. They also have a lot of memorabilia from other media, such as film and audio recording up there.

I had a pretty good discussion with the librarian, who said that she knows a lot about Herbert and his work on the local dune article. One thing she mentioned, which I found fascinating, is that a very small worm lives in the dunes, and when examined microscopically it has a three-lipped mouth that is very similar to the worms as shown in the movies. Unfortunately she hedged a bit and said that she was not 100% certain about that. Any bug lovers out there have a way of finding out what that species of worm is called? She also said that it might be a form of crustaceon.

She also said that there are "several" interviews of Herbert up there that cannot be found elsewhere. Looks like its time for another trip!

I have not looked through this yet, but I figured many of you would be interested in this.


I think she may be confused about the worm. I seem to remember reading somewhere that his inspiration was the shipworm, a bivalve mollusk:

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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Joseph-V. T. Askaris » Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:33 am

FH Collection at Siuslaw :

http://www.citizensforflorence.com/Issues/dune-herbert-1.html

In a 1969 interview [McNelly], Frank Herbert said that he had read more than 200 books as background for his novel, "Dune." His daughter, Penny Herbert Merritt, believes it. "He was a speed reader. He would read a book in a matter of hours and zero in on what he was searching for to go with what he was writing." Many of those books have been part of the Frank Herbert Collection at the Siuslaw Public Library for the last 10 years.


http://www.siuslawlibrary.org/FrankHerbertCollection.asp

In the late 1980's one of his daughters moved to Florence as a business owner and resident, and took an interest in the new library building under construction. Shortly after the library building opened she presented the library with almost 400 books, pamphlets, recorded books on phonograph records, posters, photographs and other materials from the late Frank Herbert's personal library.
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Omphalos » Sun May 16, 2010 8:14 pm

OK all. Here is a copy of the manuscript of Frank Herbert: Prophet of Dune, by Lee Prosser. I'll be adding this into the main list shortly, and as a favor to the author, who has kindly agreed to let us all have this manuscript for free, Ill be giving it its own page shortly.

In case you were not following the list, Prosser wrote the book for Reginald at Borgo Press sometime in the late 80's, then submitted the final product. Reginald got the book an ISBN, then Borgo failed. That is why you will see, if you look, that the book is still in BIP. It has never been published anywhere before today.

Carlos, if you are up to it, I'd love to see a proofed, offset copy of this. Anything I can do to persuade you?

Here is the entire manuscript"

assets/FrankHerbertProphetOfDune.pdf

And here are the chapters for those of you with dial-up

assets/FHPOD01Copyright.pdf
assets/FHPOD02ToC.pdf
assets/FHPOD03DominantThemes.pdf
assets/FHPOD04ShortWorks.pdf
assets/FHPOD05Novels.pdf
assets/FHPOD06FiveMajorNovels.pdf
assets/FHPOD07TheDuneCycle.pdf
assets/FHPOD08SecondDuneCycle.pdf
assets/FHPOD09Reincarnation.pdf
assets/FHPOD10DuneMovie.pdf
assets/FHPOD11Bibliography.pdf
assets/FHPOD12HerbertBibliography.pdf

Hope you enjoy this.
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Nekhrun » Sun May 16, 2010 8:37 pm

Thanks, this looks like it could be an interesting read.

Here's a link you can add to the first page under teaching links:

http://courses.moodleshare.com/course/view.php?id=2

It's a semester course for teaching Dune (work in progress). If there is something that you think should be added or changed I can pass the message along to the Admin of that site. For teachers who use Moodle all they have to do is download the zip file and install it in their own class and they've got a copy of the course.
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby SandChigger » Sun May 16, 2010 8:51 pm

That's cool. :)
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Omphalos » Sun May 16, 2010 8:57 pm

Nekhrun wrote:Thanks, this looks like it could be an interesting read.

Here's a link you can add to the first page under teaching links:

http://courses.moodleshare.com/course/view.php?id=2

It's a semester course for teaching Dune (work in progress). If there is something that you think should be added or changed I can pass the message along to the Admin of that site. For teachers who use Moodle all they have to do is download the zip file and install it in their own class and they've got a copy of the course.


What should I call it? Is it for middle school kids? Can you give me some details you want to see in the post? Should I use your real name in the T(A)U post? This is lit, right, not creative writing? Or is it Language Arts stuff?
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Nekhrun » Sun May 16, 2010 9:10 pm

Omphalos wrote:
Nekhrun wrote:Thanks, this looks like it could be an interesting read.

Here's a link you can add to the first page under teaching links:

http://courses.moodleshare.com/course/view.php?id=2

It's a semester course for teaching Dune (work in progress). If there is something that you think should be added or changed I can pass the message along to the Admin of that site. For teachers who use Moodle all they have to do is download the zip file and install it in their own class and they've got a copy of the course.


What should I call it? Is it for middle school kids? Can you give me some details you want to see in the post? Should I use your real name in the T(A)U post? This is lit, right, not creative writing? Or is it Language Arts stuff?

You can use the course creator name in the post, maybe even say it's hosted on http://moodleshare.org . It's a high school Lit. class for teaching Frank Herbert's Dune complete with discussion boards, assignments and quizzes. I'm not sure if it needs any more than that. It's actually been downloaded quite a few times already worldwide. It's possible that some of the questions asked in the discussion board for have disappeared when the user data was removed. At some point they'll get back in there, but it won't be until summer.
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Omphalos » Sun May 16, 2010 10:02 pm

OK, done. If you want more added, just let me know.
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Joseph-V. T. Askaris » Sun May 16, 2010 11:55 pm

Merci Omph :D
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby inhuien » Mon May 17, 2010 4:06 am

Thanks Omphalos!! That must have consumed quite a chunk of your Saturday. I hope you had a good Gin to hand to ease the boredom :)
Look, I'm not much good at big speeches, and I know I haven't always been an easy guy to get on with, and I know, that given the choice, I wouldn't have chosen you as friends, but I just want to say, that over the years, I have come to regard you as people I met.

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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Nekhrun » Mon May 17, 2010 7:26 am

Omphalos wrote:TEACHING AIDS

A high school literature class for teaching Frank Herbert's Dune complete with discussion boards, assignments and quizzes, hosted on Moodshare.org.

Can you get that Moodshare.org changed to Moodleshare.org?

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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Omphalos » Mon May 17, 2010 10:57 am

:oops:

Fixed.
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Serkanner » Tue May 18, 2010 10:30 am

Will send the manuscript to the office so I can print it cheap and read it. Looks interesting indeed. Thanks for the hard work Omphalos :)
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Robspierre » Thu May 20, 2010 10:39 pm

Much thanks for the manuscript. Got it loaded on the ipad for later reading.


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