Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Omphalos » Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:04 pm

Dune Nerd wrote:In May I am headed to SC for a short trip. I will either be going to Fullerton or Riverside let me know which is more desireable.


Probably Fullerton, as none of their stuff can go out by interlibrary loan. I have a trip to Fullerton scheduled for May 21, IIRC. When is your trip? We also have a new member who lives near over by the coast who may be willing to get some stuff for us on occasion.
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Dune Nerd » Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:22 am

My trip will be early May (probably around the 8th). It will only be a few days trip but I know I can convince my wife to travel to the library with me.
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Omphalos » Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:34 am

Ill be there the 21st. Ill shoot you the contacts for the library soon. Both the archivists teach classes and have office hours, so you should call ahead and confirm that you are going.
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Dune Nerd » Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:34 pm

Omphalos wrote:Ill be there the 21st. Ill shoot you the contacts for the library soon. Both the archivists teach classes and have office hours, so you should call ahead and confirm that you are going.



Please do, I will have about half a day to try and do this so I would rather not waste it if they are not gonna be there.
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Postby Leto247 » Mon May 11, 2009 7:22 am

Omphalos wrote:
Leto247 wrote:
Omphalos wrote:Added link to this dissertation:

Schreiber, John F., Shape of the Hero in Modern Epic Fantasy, The: A Comparative Analysis of the Dune Series, The Lord of the Rings & the Covenant Trilogy (Herbert, Tolkien & Donaldson), 1983, Mankato SU (University).

Geez, I really need to sit down and update this list. I have so much to put up, including some stuff Tanz probably gave me when we were on DN, and Kwisatz sent me a bunch of stuff recently too.


A good read, Omph, thanks. But reading it i noticed the lack of pages 74-75, is that possible?


With my scanning ability, it most probably is. Ill see if I have those pages this weekend and try to post them. Thanks for the heads up Leto!


Psss...Omph... did you had time to take a look to those pages? :pray:
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Omphalos » Mon May 11, 2009 7:16 pm

Cant find them. Let me look at work tomorrow.
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Omphalos » Tue May 12, 2009 1:54 pm

Hmmmm. Found p. 75 at work, but p. 74 is missing. Must have been an error I made when copying. If that is the case the only way to get the missing page is to get the document mailed to me again on interlibrary loan. That will have to wait for another day, Im afraid. I still have a few others to scan in and post.

Ill get p. 75 posted tonight, and Ill look around again. I was sure that I had a double sided copy somewhere so I would not have to carry all that paper around. Maybe I still have it. Ill take one more look at home tonight.
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Leto247 » Wed May 13, 2009 12:38 am

Oops, that sounds like a lot of work, sorry for asking Omph. Forget i said anything. Anyway, you deserve a big:
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I still have a few others to scan in and post.


Hmmm, that sounds promising. :mrgreen:
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Omphalos » Wed May 13, 2009 10:21 am

You know what, I made a note to myself when I first got it. The original was missing p. 74. I tried to recontact the author. He was an english professor in Wisconsin, but he had moved on and I was never able to find him again. Maybe one day he will google himself and send me a message when he finds this place.
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Omphalos » Sun Jun 21, 2009 1:35 am

Here is a link to an interview of Herbert I recently uncovered in an Australian SF zine. Although it is not as deep and thorough as some of the others here, I have been thinking that this may one of the best ones that I have ever read. I hope you all enjoy it too. I added this to the list above, in a line that was already there, but just did not have the interview.
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Leto247 » Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:30 am

Yes, it really is a nice interview. Thanks, Omph. Do you know what is the name of the magazine? number? date?
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Leto247 » Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:34 am

Interview noted to be in Issue #9 of Science Fiction: A Review of Speculative Fiction Magazine. I have never read this interview, and I have never before now heard of this Australian magazine. I have sent a note to the editor asking for an electronic or photocopy. If anyone out there has this issue, would you please PM me? UPDATE: Here is the text of the interview.



Oops... me and my big mouth... forget I asked... :oops:
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Omphalos » Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:46 am

The item is marked like this: Science Fiction: A Review of Speculative Literature #9, Vol. 3, No. 3, September 1981, ISSN 0314-6677
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Freakzilla » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:37 am

Omphalos wrote:Here is a link to an interview of Herbert I recently uncovered in an Australian SF zine. Although it is not as deep and thorough as some of the others here, I have been thinking that this may one of the best ones that I have ever read. I hope you all enjoy it too. I added this to the list above, in a line that was already there, but just did not have the interview.



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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Freakzilla » Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:34 am

How much of Dune was preconceived?
-The Dune trilogy was one book in my head. Parts of the second two were written before I'd really finished Dune itself. I'm not absolutely sure, but I know that the last chapter of Dune was not re-written. But it's ancient history in my head now and I'd have to think hard about it and go back and reconstruct it.
If the tri[l]ogy was p[l]anned from the outset as [o]ne book", what [l]ed to the most recent nove[l]ed to the most recent novel, God Emperor of Dune?
-Well, that's because Let[o]I would not get out of my head (laughter). I had to do that book. It was just forced on me. One day I started making notes about him and I realized I was cooked at that point. I had to do it.


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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Leto247 » Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:41 pm

Dude, I don´t want him out, he protects me from the other voices I hear in my head... :shock:
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Himachil » Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:51 am

Freakzilla wrote:
Omphalos wrote:Here is a link to an interview of Herbert I recently uncovered in an Australian SF zine. Although it is not as deep and thorough as some of the others here, I have been thinking that this may one of the best ones that I have ever read. I hope you all enjoy it too. I added this to the list above, in a line that was already there, but just did not have the interview.



I kind of have a leaning towards keeping science fiction in the gutter where it belongs.
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Nice! :lol:

Just spotted that quoted in the intro to Norman Spinrad's SF in the Real World... :P

Great interview btw, thanks for digging it up!
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Omphalos » Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:31 pm

Finally got around to adding these two links to Fan Sites:

A fan blog that tracks the 2010 Dune film's press releases, hosts a links archive and hosts the most excellent Dune font.


and Dune products:



And also added this to Scholarly Articles:

Bloom, Earnest Frank Herbert, The Works, an attempt at a biography culled from a variety of sources, and presumably without first hand interviews. This is the first virtual-only text in this section. Let's hope that it sticks around.
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Omphalos » Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:41 pm

Updated Prosser entry in the main list.
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Omphalos » Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:48 pm

I've got some good news, to everyone who follows this, relating to this post in the main list under Books:

Prosser, Harold Lee, Frank Herbert: Prophet of Dune. 1998, Borgo Press, ISBN 0893702196. UPDATE - 01/04/2010: I have located Lee Prosser. He confirmed that Borgo folded before it published his book, but it may exist in manuscript form still. This was never published under any other title, whole or in part. I don't rightly think that this should be classified as a phantom, since it was actually written and turned in, was worked on, and may still exist in some form, so I'll leave this entry up. Per Mr. Prosser parts of it, along with some other items he generated during its writing, including letters from FH, may have been damaged in a flood.


As indicated, I have found Mr. Prosser. The big news is that he recently found his manuscript. He said that in addition he exchanged several long letters with FH and had a transcribed interview, but apparently those items are long gone. However, he has agreed to send me a copy of the manuscript that he wrote out of those letters and that interview, and that I may copy it and give it to anyone here who is interested. I don't have permission to link to it on this list, and I don't think I'll ask since a new movie is coming up and interest is likely to peak again, but if anyone would like a PDF, just let me know. I think its OK if you share it with others, but once I have it done, it's not for public reposting anywhere.

I'm told its a book length manuscript where the author evaluates FH's use of themes, with input from FH himself. Personally, I cannot wait to get this. Should be in my hands before the weekend.

Wow. Over all this is great news, but Im kind of sad too. I think this is the last item that I have on my list to track down. It's a big find and Im glad I did it, but there definitely is a bittersweet taste in my mouth. :D :cry: :D :cry:
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby SandChigger » Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:54 pm

Cool. Put me down for a copy. :)
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Eyes High » Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:27 pm

That is neat Omph. Congrats. :clap:
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby A Thing of Eternity » Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:08 am

Wow, I'd love a copy of that. Did he say why it was never published?

I know how you feel, sometimes the search is more satisfying than the find.
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby Omphalos » Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:57 am

Its up there in the descrption. The publisher, Borgo, folded before the book could be printed. I spoke to the publisher, Robert Reginald, some time ago. Fortunately the first thing he did was to get an ISBN, which put the book into the system. I never would have known about it if it was not listed in BIP and BOOP.
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Re: Dune Secondary Source Bibliography

Postby A Thing of Eternity » Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:14 pm

My mistake, I thought you meant that they folded on the publishing deal, not folded entirely. In hind-sight, that doesn't make much sense though, no one would phrase it that way!
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