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Postby Omphalos » Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:52 pm

Found this on My Space. Wishful thinking, huh?

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Postby SandChigger » Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:18 am

Silly, but fun.
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Postby Freakzilla » Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:38 am

I can't help but wonder who Kirstin Dunst plays.
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Postby Nekhrun » Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:20 am

Freakzilla wrote:I can't help but wonder who Kirstin Dunst plays.

Gurney.
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Postby SandChigger » Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:38 am

:lol:

:idea:

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Whoa. Girnstey Hunstek. :shock:
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Postby Tleilax Master B » Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:38 am

Nekhrun wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:I can't help but wonder who Kirstin Dunst plays.

Gurney.


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Postby Nekhrun » Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:50 am

Hey Chig, throw on the inkvine scar and you're on to something!
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Postby Robspierre » Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:51 am

Hubba hubba :P

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Postby Omphalos » Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:40 am

Wow. I think I now want to nail Gurney.
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Postby GamePlayer » Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:55 am

LOL :) What a nice dream that would be.
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Postby Omphalos » Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:20 am

What? Nailing Gurney? :P
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Postby GamePlayer » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:16 am

Omphalos wrote:What? Nailing Gurney? :P


Don't tell me you're jealous of my love for She-Gurney :) :lol:

No, I definitely meant A Dune movie with that cast.
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Postby Liege-Killer » Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:18 pm

So how would you cast those other actors?

I definitely see Christopher Lee as Shaddam. Paul Bettany as Paul. Christian Bale as Feyd. Maybe Gary Oldman as Leto? I suppose Lauren Bacall would be Mohiam.

There are some names on there I don't know. And others that I would have a hard time assigning to a role: Samuel Jackson? De Niro? Tony Shalhoub? Ron Perlman? Those seem like bizarre choices to me.
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Postby Omphalos » Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:29 am

Duke Leto Atreides - Andy Garcia
Lady Jessica Atreides - Cate Blanchett
Paul Atreides - Joseph Gordon Levitt
Thufir Hawat - Pete Posthlewaite
Gurney Halleck - Danny Trejo
Dr. Wellington Yueh - Gene Hackman
Dr. Kynes - Terrence Stamp
Duncan Idaho - Jeremy Piven
Baron Harkonnen - Philip Seymour Hoffman
Reverend Mother Gaius Mohaim - Judi Dench
Chani - Rosario Dawson
Princess Irulan - Alexis Bledel
Emperor Shaddam Corrino IV - Ciaran Hinds
Feyd-Rautha - Not sure, but a young Brad Pitt would have been perfect
Piter De Vries - Michael Madsen
Beast Rabban - Not sure
Stilgar - Ian McShane
Count Fenring - Rutger Hauer

I wish there was a role for Djimon Hounsou.
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Postby SandChigger » Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:00 am

Hmm.

I don't know....

Am I like the only one doesn't get excited about this kind of "ooh ooh, XXX should play YYY!" speculation? :D


(Just wondering. I mean, I read everyone's lists and think, "OK, cool, whatever" and move on, but I can't really get that excited about it all. Oh well, just me, I guess.)
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Postby Freakzilla » Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:56 am

SandChigger wrote:Hmm.

I don't know....

Am I like the only one doesn't get excited about this kind of "ooh ooh, XXX should play YYY!" speculation? :D


(Just wondering. I mean, I read everyone's lists and think, "OK, cool, whatever" and move on, but I can't really get that excited about it all. Oh well, just me, I guess.)


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Postby SandChigger » Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:40 am

I guess part of my problem is I just don't associate faces and names for a lot of the newer people.

Omphalos' above is the first one I think I've known about half. :shock:

(Recognize Posthlewaite name but get no face; wouldn't know Trejo, Piven, Dawson to McShane if I crawled over and bit them. sigh)
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Postby Omphalos » Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:49 am

Most of them are character actors who have been around a year or two longer then dirt, so that surpirses me.

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Postby GamePlayer » Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:10 am

I love fan casting lists, especially the properly considered ones. I recognize every name on Ompf's list and yes, most of his list is filled with well known veterans. Of course, you actually have to know a little bit about film beyond recognizing Brad Pitt or Steven Spielberg to appreciate the fine fictional casting :)
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Postby Liege-Killer » Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:41 am

Well Omph, I meant: how would you cast the actors listed on the above poster? But your list works too, although it also has several names I don't know.

Baron Harkonnen - Philip Seymour Hoffman

Emperor Shaddam Corrino IV - Ciaran Hinds


Brilliant choices!
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Postby Omphalos » Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:31 pm

SandChigger wrote:I guess part of my problem is I just don't associate faces and names for a lot of the newer people.

Omphalos' above is the first one I think I've known about half. :shock:

(Recognize Posthlewaite name but get no face; wouldn't know Trejo, Piven, Dawson to McShane if I crawled over and bit them. sigh)


Posthlewaite played Kobaiyashi (the assistant to Keyser Soze) in The Usual Suspects. Ugly and old with a wonderful voice. Many directors have called him the best living character actor.

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/ ... hwaite.jpg

Trejo was in Heat. He is the one who turns against the gang and gets wacked in the house in the Hollywood Hills. Hideously ugly, with scars and muscles, and a great actor.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r107 ... yTrejo.jpg

Piven, a pretty boy with an overabundance of testosterone, he was is in Entourage (which I dont watch) and was the crackhead in Smokin' Aces.

http://www.mytvisonfire.com/couchpotato ... _piven.jpg
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Dawson is just a hot little number who can act when she has to, but usually is in forgettable roles. May be too old now, though, just I think as the kid I suggested for Paul is now.

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/R ... son-27.jpg

McShane is in that HBO western, and plays tough guys that can think well.

http://www.tvguide.com/images/pgimg/ian-mcshane1.jpg
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Postby Omphalos » Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:44 pm

Liege-Killer wrote:Well Omph, I meant: how would you cast the actors listed on the above poster? But your list works too, although it also has several names I don't know.

Baron Harkonnen - Philip Seymour Hoffman

Emperor Shaddam Corrino IV - Ciaran Hinds


Brilliant choices!


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Postby Omphalos » Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:14 pm

Byron just posted this over at DN:

I can't give out a lot of information because they are still building the movie from the ground up. What I can tell you is that "we" haven't hired anyone to do the script. That'll be up to the production studio.

The budget ...er ...I wish I could tell you! But I can't give numbers. Watch IMDB for information that'll probably be coming soon.

Kevin and Brian are co-producers, yes, just as it says in the Variety article.

Co-Producer Defined: A Co-producer is typically a Line Producer who has also performed a substantial portion of the creative producing function. Alternatively, they may be the lead Producer from another production company that is co-producing the film, or a partner or corporate officer from the production entity producing the film. In rare cases, a Co-producer may also be the person who optioned, developed or packaged the project. In all instances, Co-producers are subordinate to the Producer. (Emphasis in original).


So, KJA did not option the thing. He did not buy the option, and I assume he owned diddly squat, so he did not sell it, thus he could not have "optioned" anything. Which leaves me with the chill that he, along with fucktard number two "developed or packaged the project."

Sound to anybody at all like he had a hand in designing what the movie is gonna be? Egads, what if those two fucknuts get writer's credit too? :?
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Postby GamePlayer » Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:32 pm

What I can tell you is that "we" haven't hired anyone to do the script. That'll be up to the production studio.

*snip*

In all instances, Co-producers are subordinate to the Producer


Like I said, KJA and BH will very likely have jack shit to do with it. And whatever you do, don't listen to any of the BS chest beating and back slapping that these two are going to be posting on their blogs or quoted as saying in the many promotional circuit publications yet to come. They are only merely involved in a long process, but they'll talk it up like they're hitting on a super model way out of their league at a celebrity party that they just happened to be invited to as a courtesy :)

Like I said, the studios have it now and they'll run it their way. As always, it's now Paramount's decisions that are to be feared.
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Postby Omphalos » Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:54 pm

As soon as that movie is released and Norma is in it, Im gonna make you eat these words, GamePlayer! :wink:
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Postby GamePlayer » Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:17 pm

I never said any absolute, my dear Ompf. Their involvement (to the extent you think it will be) is simply very, VERY unlikely. All this doom saying over KJA/BH being attached seems like crying over puddles in the middle of tsunami. Label them as scapegoats if you must but the studio will rule over this film and the studio will be accountable for how this film will be made (if at all).

I mean, is anyone gonna care Norma is mentioned if the movie sucks soiled ass? People can stick their fingers in their ears and repeat "It was all KJA/BH fault" but those two screw ups are going to be very low on the blame list should the worst happen. Berg and Misher are responsible for this flick, lock, stock and two smoking barrels :)

What fans should really be asking is what is Paramount's profit motive for the new Dune film? Is it going to be an adaptation because they think the source material is great/profitable and Peter Berg is talented and passionate about the film? Or is this new Dune to be simply market-angle fodder for yet another mediocre blockbuster summer; the next I, Robot or Battlefield: Earth made by a company-man director?
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Postby Freakzilla » Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:26 pm

I still have optomistic hopes this will be a decent movie. After the Lynch version I don't think it could be much worse.
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Postby Robspierre » Sat Mar 22, 2008 10:46 pm

I'm with GamePlayer, I've spent the last 3 days dealing with, writers, directors, and producers at the White Sands International Film Festival and the studio will do what they want.

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Postby Omphalos » Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:21 am

GamePlayer wrote:I mean, is anyone gonna care Norma is mentioned if the movie sucks soiled ass?


Hell yes! Because once that happens in a major summer block-buster, whether or not it sucks soiled ass, from then on the original books will be seen by the general public as secondary to the "new and improved" story. It will forever be an uphill battle to educate the rabble about the power and strength of FH's books, and educating others about the ass-wipe value of the new ones will be like trying to teach a 2 year old about relativity.

Take the movies that you mentioned above. Two shit movies, right? Of course I'm right. Battlefield Earth is was an absolute piece of shit, and NOBODY liked it (except for me :oops: ). So ask yourself how many people out there know that this is only 1/2 of the story of this well known author's magnum opus? Very few.

And look at I, Robot. Pretty much popcorn crappola, right? Well, the original was written by one of the three biggest and most important SF authors that the English speaking world has ever seen (the others being Heinlein and Clarke). How many people out there know that the story that the movie told had virtually nothing to do with the volume of short stories that Asimov published? I even heard my dad say to my mother, after seeing the movie and listening to me rant, "I saw that Asimov movie today, and I loved it!" Ask Ragabash; I'm still shaking my head over that one.

The sad fact is that original works lose their potency once some asshole with a billion dollars and a handy-cam comes along and makes a crappy movie out of it.
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Postby GamePlayer » Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:44 am

And how is that any different from the sound technology/Weirding Modules in Lynch's Dune (1984)? Or the Elves being at Helms Deep in Jackson's The Two Towers? Whether the Dune novel were somehow directly translated to the screen unmodified or was a macabre adaptation with only the barest resemblance to the original, by far the majority of people who saw it would forever relate Dune to the movie and wouldn't give a shit whether it was faithful or not. The larger movie-going public are not readers and could care less. You're talking human nature here, which is not something any of us can do anything about.

IMO, this is raging fanboy fervor and no different than Warsies crying over Darth Vader's "small hands" or Ringer laments of Bombadil! Bombadil! It's the absolute worst of nitpicking minutiae at the expense of all the factors that truly matter. In all likelihood, Berg ain't gonna give KJA/BH the time of day. They can be counted on to shit on any writers, including their own. That's the way Hollywood works.

I still fail to see how any prequel mentions in a new Dune film adaptation are even legally possible. If Paramount can't even mention events of Deep Space Nine in Star Trek First Contact due to property rights (owned by themselves through a subsidiary), then I don't see where the heck all this fear of prequel crap is coming from.

Berg and Misher's priorities will be if there's a notable lack of sex scenes and enough explosions to appeal to the young male film-going market. The casting will be whether Paul is enough of a potential sex symbol to get more young female asses in theatre seats and not whether such an actor can actually play and look the part. The script will be examined to see how they can emphasize it's appeal to an increasingly environmentalist movie-going public.

This is the reality of what need be feared. This has gone beyond the microcosm of KJA/BH and the Dune bubble. Here, in the far more dangerous deep desert of movie making, there be a row of sandworms ready to drop their load upon this new Dune adaptation. Our only hope is a kwisatch haderach to somehow survive and create the world we want :)
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Postby Omphalos » Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:00 pm

GamePlayer wrote:And how is that any different from the sound technology/Weirding Modules in Lynch's Dune (1984)? Or the Elves being at Helms Deep in Jackson's The Two Towers? Whether the Dune novel were somehow directly translated to the screen unmodified or was a macabre adaptation with only the barest resemblance to the original, by far the majority of people who saw it would forever relate Dune to the movie and wouldn't give a shit whether it was faithful or not. The larger movie-going public are not readers and could care less. You're talking human nature here, which is not something any of us can do anything about.


Its a difference of degree, as the introduction of Norma would completely and utterly change not only the plot, but many if not most of the points FH was trying to make with his story. But in the end it doesnt relly matter because this is exactly what I am saying. Its my point. The introduction of new material into movies changes the perception of the books. In those two cases for people who have not read the books, and in many cases of those who have, the sonic weapons are canon, as was the presence of the elves. But with Dune, since Norma is so huge (as opposed to a new army at a battle that was won by that side anyway, or the introduction of technology that increased fighting abilities, which is what the training did in Dune the book) the gist of the story changes completely instead of just a little bit of plot.

GamePlayer wrote:IMO, this is raging fanboy fervor and no different than Warsies crying over Darth Vader's "small hands" or Ringer laments of Bombadil! Bombadil! It's the absolute worst of nitpicking minutiae at the expense of all the factors that truly matter. In all likelihood, Berg ain't gonna give KJA/BH the time of day. They can be counted on to shit on any writers, including their own. That's the way Hollywood works.


I have no idea who Warsies or Ringer are, but this is not "minutae." Its a drastic and complete change of most of Children through Chapterhouse. It cannot be recovered from if its put in.

GamePlayer wrote:I still fail to see how any prequel mentions in a new Dune film adaptation are even legally possible. If Paramount can't even mention events of Deep Space Nine in Star Trek First Contact due to property rights (owned by themselves through a subsidiary), then I don't see where the heck all this fear of prequel crap is coming from.


All they have to do is buy the rights. This is a matter of contract law, not statutory. They can do whatever they pay for. And with KJA on board, as well as the HLP, that is no barrier at all. Those assholes already have dollar signs in their eyes. You think that they arent going to sell elements from later books for inclusion in earlier movies? That is just a silly notion.

GamePlayer wrote:Berg and Misher's priorities will be if there's a notable lack of sex scenes and enough explosions to appeal to the young male film-going market. The casting will be whether Paul is enough of a potential sex symbol to get more young female asses in theatre seats and not whether such an actor can actually play and look the part. The script will be examined to see how they can emphasize it's appeal to an increasingly environmentalist movie-going public.


So they make Norma hot and have her flirt with a hot Paul. No problem. Asses in seats.

GamePlayer wrote:This is the reality of what need be feared. This has gone beyond the microcosm of KJA/BH and the Dune bubble. Here, in the far more dangerous deep desert of movie making, there be a row of sandworms ready to drop their load upon this new Dune adaptation. Our only hope is a kwisatch haderach to somehow survive and create the world we want :)


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Postby GamePlayer » Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:07 pm

And like I've said many a time now, I think you're striking at shadows. There's a Hollywood studio in control of a new Dune film and you're still clamoring over KJA/BH like they are some significant part of the equation; like they were writing a new prequel book. This has moved well beyond that now.

As for the legalities, no prequel rights have been sold (or at least, no one has reported it). The idea is preposterous that the HLP would throw away rights to one or more prequel books along with the Dune rights just so KJA could suggest (with no guarantee) that the screenwriters pretty please mention Norma in the script. It's ludicrous and no greedy organization like the HLP would ever give away further rights. This is also assuming Paramount would want or pay for prequel rights "at this time", which is highly unlikely because the prequels have no market without Dune. These are one contract/one film/one book deals "with conditions" to negotiate and consider further sequels upon box office performance (hence, the possibility for a franchise and a new film brand). It's not a silly notion, it's called business in Hollywood.

But it's a futile effort to try an allay your fears if you're convinced KJA/BH have some very important role in this film. It is worrying about minutiae, of the worst kind and from the narrowest understanding (Warsies are Star Wars fans and Ringers are LOTR fans). You want to speak of silly notions, the idea that some sci-fi novelists like KJA/BH are going to come along and tell Hollywood how to make and what to include in their films is the silliest notion I have ever heard. No Hollywood studio, director or producer cares. Paramount wants Frank Herbert's Dune property because they can see from a film perspective how the property can be used to make money and that's all. The perceived great threat from KJA/BH is an illusion compared to disasters far more likely to befall this new Dune film, disasters from the people that will actually be deciding and creating this film...if it even gets that far.
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Postby Freakzilla » Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:40 pm

Why would KJA even need to be there, what does he have to do with Dune?
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Postby Omphalos » Sun Mar 23, 2008 5:55 pm

As for the legalities, no prequel rights have been sold (or at least, no one has reported it). The idea is preposterous that the HLP would throw away rights to one or more prequel books along with the Dune rights just so KJA could suggest (with no guarantee) that the screenwriters pretty please mention Norma in the script.


They are under no obligation to mention any negotiations or sales. And if they are going to make more than one movie, or eventually hope to do the new books, don't you think they would realize what a huge "mistake" it would be to set themselves up now?

GamePlayer, I'm saying that this is their intent from the start. I'm not saying that those assholes are going to wiggle their way in. I'm saying that they have already been let in, and doing so was a conscious decision and made so that they at least have the possibility open of doing a ton of movies and sequels. And I'm shocked that you automatically assume that just because they are "executive producers" now that the goal is not to give them more access later, or conceal their true roles now until such a time as they decide to announce more authority for them. You act like "Hollywood" is opposed to letting them in as writers. I cant see why. Anderson, without his Dune books, has nothing to offer these people. Yet he now has a seat at the table. I hear what you are saying, but I don't think you see what a slippery slope Dune fans are on now. The producers have no reason to mollycoddle him. He owns nothing from original Dune. But they have given him a title. Why? That coupled with the fact that he is an insidious little prick worries me.
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Postby SandChigger » Sun Mar 23, 2008 6:47 pm

Omphalos wrote:He owns nothing from original Dune. But they have given him a title. Why? That coupled with the fact that he is an insidious little prick worries me.

Exactly. Why is he a co-producer on a movie of Dune?

Could it be something as simple as him wanting another label, something more to pad his resumé with, to crow about and receive fanboy praise over? :?
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Postby Omphalos » Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:56 pm

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Omphalos wrote:He owns nothing from original Dune. But they have given him a title. Why? That coupled with the fact that he is an insidious little prick worries me.

Exactly. Why is he a co-producer on a movie of Dune?

Could it be something as simple as him wanting another label, something more to pad his resumé with, to crow about and receive fanboy praise over? :?


It could. But I wouldn't worry about that at all.
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Postby GamePlayer » Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:45 pm

Because with all due respect and humble honesty, I don't believe you have any notion of what it is you're talking about. You see a name on a billing and are inventing predictions of doom because the hacks KJA/BH are somehow attached to the film. You don't understand in what capacity, every fact provided is misinterpreted to fit a preconceived theory and whatever facts of the rights aren't public you're assuming it's in favor of this theory without even working the details out to their logical conclusion.

And worst of all, I'm clearly failing miserably at my attempt to explain the details of Hollywood filmmaking in such a way that I can allay your fears. And for that I am sorry.

Perhaps a simple example may work in contrast to my lengthy passages: Frank Miller was given directors billing on Sin City. I don't see Frank Miller directing any films.

Onto the rest, what I do know is this: Dune is Paramount's film. The HLP has acknowledged this, which is fortunate for them because if they tried to spin it any other way they'd look like even bigger fools than they are. KJA/BH are not filmmakers, they are not producers, directors or screenwriters. I probably know more about scriptwriting then they do. There is no way in hell Paramount, Berg or Misher will give these guys anymore clout/consideration/control than their non-existent film skills and experience or lack of film knowledge demand.

Have we even covered the role of the co-producer? No better time than now. Co-Producers assist with financing, producing or hiring of film staff depending upon their skills and knowledge of the film industry. In a studio production, billing as co-producer or executive producer can even be given to those who have very little responsibility for the production itself and only represent their companies co-financing a given film. In all cases, whether duties of the co-producer are involved or limited, they are subordinate to the producer (again, another point that the HLP wisely made clear, not that they had a choice anyway)

Now, given the fact that KJA/BH have ZERO knowledge of the film industry and ZERO film experience, the most likely explanation for their billing as co-producers is because the HLP is also an active co-financier of the Dune film OR helping to organize co-financing.

As for KJA, his seat at this proverbial table would be as a representative of the HLP. Why would he have zero writing involvement in the Dune movie? I would think the reasons I've already stated above would make it clear he has no skills/knowledge/experience in the film industry.

If I might suggest, most humbly, that if you really are curious about the way acquired properties in Hollywood are run, please consider reading Hollywood Dealmaking: Negotiating Talent Agreements By Dina Appleton and Daniel Yankelevits. It's terrific at telling the true story of big budget filmmaking and you'll gain new respect for the people that work in this business, especially the poor writers who are one of the great film creators with the lowest possible standing.

Now, just to make things clear, because these long drawn out debates are just rife with possibilities for getting facts wrong:
I am by no means absolutely, 100% certain that KJA/BH will have no influence on this film. I think it likely they won't and hope they never do.
I'm of the opinion that the Dune film will be handled like the hundreds of other films I've read about through the production process, in which even the most prestigious, most talented original writers of the greatest literature adapted to film have almost nothing to do with the film adaptation, even those that vehemently wanted control.
I am quite confident that Paramount will use screenwriters and actual experienced film makers to make their film, as the studios almost always do in nearly every case.
I am by far more worried about studio choices (especially the ones that have already been made) than I am about the possibility of significant KJA/BH influence, which I see as very remote.
I sincerely hope I'm right and I too fear any prequel crap will soil a Dune adaptation, not only for what it is (poor writing included in the work of a much superior writing) but also because it will represent very poor creative choices on behalf of the filmmakers.
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Postby Robspierre » Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:02 pm

I wonder, did the HLP sell a package deal to the studio's that include options on additional works including the prequels? Unless he has been made some type of member of the HLP, KJA's work is work-for-hire and would be separate from Frank's work. If the deal also includes options for the prequels I can see Kevin demanding some kind of credit.

I think the issue that is bothering most people is why is Kevin involved at all since he is supposedly not a member of the HLP.

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Postby Omphalos » Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:07 pm

GamePlayer, I don't think that you are listening to me. I'm not saying that they will take over the production because they are associate producers, or whatever. I'm saying that they are now close to those who are making the movie, and stand a higher chance of talking someone into changing the story because they now have access. I don't need to read a book on Hollywood contracting to know, with certain accuracy, that is how things go in human intercourse. I'm saying that the relationship between the parties will not stay static. I could not care less what the "name on a billing" says. I'm saying that this is step one in the process of conquest. And if you don't agree with me, fine, but let me be the first one to tell you that this is how it goes. If I'm wrong, fine. I realize that a billion things could happen. But giving KJA access of any kind gives me cause for concern. Once again, and I'm not going to repeat this again, I AM NOT TRYING TO TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN. I AM VOICING A REALISTIC FEAR FOR THE FUTURE OF DUNE. Period. OK? And I don't really care what the HLP says about who owns the film now. I don't trust a damn thing that comes out of any of their mouths anymore.
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Postby Robspierre » Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:13 pm

Personally I hope they get an executive with a cocaine habit who who wants ot make a drug movie :twisted:

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Postby Omphalos » Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:15 pm

Robspierre wrote:Personally I hope they get an executive with a cocaine habit who who wants ot make a drug movie :twisted:

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Postby Robspierre » Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:36 pm

Omphalos wrote:
Robspierre wrote:Personally I hope they get an executive with a cocaine habit who who wants ot make a drug movie :twisted:

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Kind of like Traffic for spice, huh?


That does have possibilities....

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Postby SandChigger » Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:10 am

Hey! You never returned the contract papers on use of that blinkey!

That's stil MY property dammit! :twisted:


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Postby GamePlayer » Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:05 am

I have read intently everything you've typed and as I've stated, this is making a mountain out of an anthill. I understand that this whole drama with the HLP, KJA, and the legacy of Frank Herbert hits close to home, but the Dune film is a totally different situation. We are not in book world anymore, the place where KJA and his hack pals have all the power and control. Even writers from outside Hollywood with more influence and more corporate power than KJA will ever know have sought control and influence over their properties in film: nearly all have been denied. No one has provided a single logical reason to me why KJA would somehow suddenly be the exception to years of Hollywood filmmaking policy. KJA's involvement with the HLP is not likely to lead him to a position of significant power/influence with Paramount for the making of the Dune film, I can definitely tell you that much. He will probably never even meet the people making the film (in any film-related capacity outside financing). And you obviously are concerned with the billing, because your point is based upon a guess of what will happen simply because KJA is attached.

Am I concerned about KJA's involvement? To the small degree that he has anything to do with it, sure. It's another black mark against the production, one of a growing number. Is it possible that KJA might actually get some influence and inject something into the Dune film we don't want? Anything is possible, it's just incredibly unlikely. Does KJA's involvement with the HLP increase his chances of interacting with the Dune production? Sure. I'm sure KJA's involvement gives him slightly better odds of having anything to do with the film world than the next writer of disposable sci-fi entertainment in publishing. It's still the last thing any of us should be concerned wit, IMO.

But since this is a book forum, the Dune film is being looked at from the same perspective as a book (or at least the lingering reservations of such). I suppose I can understand that even though I strongly disagree with the perceptions some here may have. IMO, there's much bigger fish to fry.
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Postby SandChigger » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:44 pm

Well...I've been posting from a position of almost total ignorance about the workings of the movie industry, so the exchanges here have been interesting and enlightening for me at least.

I want to believe you are right on the unlikelihood of Kevin having any substantive input or impact on the content, GamePlayer, but I also share Omphalos' opinion of Kevin as a devious little shit and all the fear that that brings. :(
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Postby Ampoliros » Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:14 pm

Ian McShane should play the Baron.
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Postby Tleilax Master B » Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:27 am

SandChigger wrote:Hey! You never returned the contract papers on use of that blinkey!

That's stil MY property dammit! :twisted:


:lol:

Kidding!


speaking of blinkies...... :(

I don't know a damn thing about the film industry, so I won't try to enter into this debate in any significant way. But what I can say is that KJA has already fucked Dune and people's perceptions of what actually took place in the canon. As I have stated before, a classic example of this is "artificial" or "synthetic" spice. Some of the most diehard Dune fans will slip up and in conversations talk about "artificial Tleilaxu spice", which of course there was never any such thing. The BT made actual spice in the Tanks; there was nothing artificial about it. Now, with that sort of thing in mind, and let me reiterate I don't know a goddam thing about the film industry, it seems that if KJA is used in any way as a subject matter expert in this film, shit is going to get distorted. I can very much see a little still shot narrative describing the Butlerian Jihad in the beginning of the film in which this all-powerful AI is mentioned--that would almost certainly be KJA's influence and would immediately piss me off and taint my opinion of the rest of the movie. If there is even so much as a hint that Paul was born on Kaitain, I'm fucking outta there. I still think it is better that he have absolutely nothing to do with this movie; even if his given role is generally not influential in this industry.
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Postby Omphalos » Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:37 am

I do that all the time. As good as teh FH books are, this new crap is like a creeping fungus that just gets in there and sticks sometimes, no?
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Postby SandChigger » Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:44 pm

Has anyone found ANY mention of ONE GOOD REASON why Kevin's name is associated with this new movie at all?

I can't remember if someone has brought it up on one of these boards yet, but Teg and I were talking about this again the other day and he mentioned inclusion of "New Dune" material as one possible reason why they would want/be forced to have his name on it.

(Ah, blinkeys, yes, haven't forgotten. Anyone know of a site with good (motion/animated) pics of cellular division? :) )
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Postby Omphalos » Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:58 pm

SandChigger wrote:Has anyone found ANY mention of ONE GOOD REASON why Kevin's name is associated with this new movie at all?


Nope. Not a single one.
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Postby inhuien » Thu Aug 21, 2008 4:49 am

SandChigger wrote:(Ah, blinkeys, yes, haven't forgotten. Anyone know of a site with good (motion/animated) pics of cellular division? :) )


Try here as a start
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94JgTOtf ... re=related
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Postby SandChigger » Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:34 pm

Cheers! I'll have a peek when I get to the office later. (Faster looooooad times! ;) )

Edit:

Have had a look at a few. Cheers again! ;)
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Postby inhuien » Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:24 am

No problem, we gotta get B his blinkie :)
Look, I'm not much good at big speeches, and I know I haven't always been an easy guy to get on with, and I know, that given the choice, I wouldn't have chosen you as friends, but I just want to say, that over the years, I have come to regard you as people I met.

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Postby SandChigger » Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:07 pm

Might take a bit more time...

I'm fixing to switch over to a new suite of graphics software (StoneWorks). I'm fed up with the Macromedia/Abobe software registration/authorization bullshit. It's good software (should be, costing an arm and a leg) but when it fooks up it bends you over and screws you slow and tasty. New stuff costs $400 one time for 16+ apps and lifetime upgrades.

Anyway, I did a bit more cogitating on da B blinkie after looking at a bunch of those viddies and I think I've got a pretty good idea of how to do it. The rest is execution.... ;)
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Postby Omphalos » Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:21 pm

What's the blinkie for? 500th or 600th post on that blog thread? Its gotta be a big'un!
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Postby SandChigger » Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:28 pm

No, this is a special project.

It's a secret.

Sort of. :P
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Postby Omphalos » Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:31 pm

SandChigger wrote:No, this is a special project.

It's a secret.

Sort of. :P


Oh! Is this what you guys were talking about in all those PMs? Well, I got them all, so I know what's going on. Yes I do.
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Postby Tleilax Master B » Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:25 pm

^^Hehe, sure you do :wink:
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Postby Mr. Teg » Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:28 am

Tleilax Master B wrote:^^Hehe, sure you do :wink:


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