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Clueless reviewer

Postby Liege-Killer » Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:46 pm

Some guy named Rege Behe appears to be a fawning, mindless fan of Brian & KJA, and shows it in this review. Check out the capsule review over at the left side:

Fans of Frank Herbert's "Dune" series will find all of the author's motifs and touchstones intact in "The Winds of Dune." Brian Herbert (Frank Herbert's son) and Kevin J. Anderson have retained the essence of the classic science fiction novel.....


Just try to read the whole thing without busting out laughing. :lol=:
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Re: Clueless reviewer

Postby Freakzilla » Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:14 pm

In "Winds of Dune," which falls chronologically after "Dune Messiah," his behavior at the end of Frank Herbert's last book — abandoning his just-born children and disappearing into the desert of Arrakis — is explained.


Thanks, but I already figured that out. :roll:
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Re: Clueless reviewer

Postby Ampoliros » Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:31 am

It seems to me that many people nowadays need to distinguish the difference in reading a book and just looking at the words.
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Re: Clueless reviewer

Postby Freakzilla » Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:04 am

Ampoliros wrote:It seems to me that many people nowadays need to distinguish the difference in reading a book and just looking at the words.


I think that if their lips are moving while looking at the book, that means they're actually reading.
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Re: Clueless reviewer

Postby SandRider » Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:42 am

what, no comment section ?

I hate it when they do that ...

The last book the elder Herbert published, "Chapterhouse Dune," ends with a cliffhanger; clearly, he planned to continue the series.


I'm soooo tired of hearing this.

Not as tired as I am of this, tho :

"There was a lot of doubt, and it's understandable," says Brian Herbert, who noted fans became more forgiving when "Dune: House Atreides" was published in 1999. "They have a stake in the 'Dune' universe, whether they are fans or editors or publishers. We're just trying to meet those high standards."


yeah, after "House Atreides", everybody threw roses & went home ...

and here's another sterling example of proof that Keith just
simply doesn't understand Frank's Dune :

"In my mind and in my heart, as a fan, and for many fans, Paul Atreides is one of the greatest heroes of science fiction," Anderson says. "But Frank Herbert did some terrible things to him, and when you read how he acts in 'Dune Messiah,' a lot of the things he does are virtually inexcusable. How can you sympathize with him? ... You have to get into this character. What would change somebody so much? What would drive him to do that?"


what book did he read ?
or skim over or whatever ?

"How can you sympathize with him?"

Maybe that's what it is - Paul's not Luke Skywalker,
and Keith can't deal with that ....

One of the other aspects of "Dune" is its many layers. It can be read as an adventure story, as a psychological novel, or a commentary on political machinations. Brian Herbert said his father told him that he wanted to weave his ideas about ecology, politics, religion and psychology into the fabric of an adventure story. The elder Herbert also wanted readers to come away from the books with "detritus, pieces of the characters, still clinging to them," he says. "The reader, dad said, would then want to go back and read an entirely different layer in the novel."


and when has Keith written anything close to that ?

About the writer

Rege Behe can be reached via e-mail rbehe@tribweb.com
or at 412-320-7990.


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Re: Clueless reviewer

Postby Rakis » Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:29 pm

Wow...what a dumbass
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Re: Clueless reviewer

Postby Seraphan » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:40 am

"In my mind and in my heart, as a fan, and for many fans, Paul Atreides is one of the greatest heroes of science fiction," Anderson says. "But Frank Herbert did some terrible things to him, and when you read how he acts in 'Dune Messiah,' a lot of the things he does are virtually inexcusable. How can you sympathize with him? ... You have to get into this character. What would change somebody so much? What would drive him to do that?"

That statement qualifies him well beyond dumbass, fucking moron doesnt make justice either. i think we need to come up with a new, strong sounding word in the english language to classify him.
That something like this happened to a legacy like Frank's takes away a lot of the faith i have in mankind.
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Re: Clueless reviewer

Postby Freakzilla » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:19 pm

Seraphan wrote:
"In my mind and in my heart, as a fan, and for many fans, Paul Atreides is one of the greatest heroes of science fiction," Anderson says. "But Frank Herbert did some terrible things to him, and when you read how he acts in 'Dune Messiah,' a lot of the things he does are virtually inexcusable. How can you sympathize with him? ... You have to get into this character. What would change somebody so much? What would drive him to do that?"

That statement qualifies him well beyond dumbass, fucking moron doesnt make justice either. i think we need to come up with a new, strong sounding word in the english language to classify him.
That something like this happened to a legacy like Frank's takes away a lot of the faith i have in mankind.


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Re: Clueless reviewer

Postby GamePlayer » Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:21 am

I actually find KJA's misunderstanding of humanity (and by extension both Paul and Dune) a rather popular phenomenon. Very few people actually want to understand, let alone embrace, the totality of what it is to be a human being. Most people, KJA included, would much rather hold onto the illusions of what makes a great human than accept a human can be great.

I can't even begin to count how many times I've been in discussions about some noted historical figure only for some dumbass to stride in with a character assassination based on some mundane human flaw. He/she "stole" all his/her ideas. He/she had sex. He/she was an asshole. He/she avoided conscription. He/she wasn't a gawd-fearing person. It's like most people never realized everyone has feet of clay and refuse to accept any person who elevates themselves above the masses unless that person meets this unrealistic expectation of perfection. This goes the same for villains as well. No one wants to understand Hitler. He was a monster, a villain, perhaps for many he was Satan himself. Very few people will ever acknowledge that Hitler was simply human. True, Hitler was a despicable and monstrous human, but a human nonetheless. Nothing more.

KJA is a common example of what most people want: to elevate Paul to the status of epic, flawless, ubermensch hero while ignoring his own humanity. They want to think of Paul as infallible god-hero, even more so since he has extraordinary abilities within the fictional context of Dune. Mistakes, faults, poor choices; these are all the problems associated with lesser beings, not great infallible god-heroes of great destiny like Paul Atreides. :roll:

Of course, Frank wanted to explore all sides of the messiah as a human sociopolitical phenomenon, the triumphs and the failures. But it's clear even some of Frank's readers didn't understand this, KJA least of all.
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Re: Clueless reviewer

Postby Ampoliros » Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:06 pm

GamePlayer wrote:I actually find KJA's misunderstanding of humanity (and by extension both Paul and Dune) a rather popular phenomenon. Very few people actually want to understand, let alone embrace, the totality of what it is to be a human being. Most people, KJA included, would much rather hold onto the illusions of what makes a great human than accept a human can be great.

I can't even begin to count how many times I've been in discussions about some noted historical figure only for some dumbass to stride in with a character assassination based on some mundane human flaw. He/she "stole" all his/her ideas. He/she had sex. He/she was an asshole. He/she avoided conscription. He/she wasn't a gawd-fearing person. It's like most people never realized everyone has feet of clay and refuse to accept any person who elevates themselves above the masses unless that person meets this unrealistic expectation of perfection. This goes the same for villains as well. No one wants to understand Hitler. He was a monster, a villain, perhaps for many he was Satan himself. Very few people will ever acknowledge that Hitler was simply human. True, Hitler was a despicable and monstrous human, but a human nonetheless. Nothing more.

KJA is a common example of what most people want: to elevate Paul to the status of epic, flawless, ubermensch hero while ignoring his own humanity. They want to think of Paul as infallible god-hero, even more so since he has extraordinary abilities within the fictional context of Dune. Mistakes, faults, poor choices; these are all the problems associated with lesser beings, not great infallible god-heroes of great destiny like Paul Atreides. :roll:

Of course, Frank wanted to explore all sides of the messiah as a human sociopolitical phenomenon, the triumphs and the failures. But it's clear even some of Frank's readers didn't understand this, KJA least of all.


I see this as the major reason Frank had the Gom Jabbar Test to determine human vs animal. I really wish we had something like this today.
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Re: Clueless reviewer

Postby Freakzilla » Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:28 pm

Ampoliros wrote:
GamePlayer wrote:I actually find KJA's misunderstanding of humanity (and by extension both Paul and Dune) a rather popular phenomenon. Very few people actually want to understand, let alone embrace, the totality of what it is to be a human being. Most people, KJA included, would much rather hold onto the illusions of what makes a great human than accept a human can be great.

I can't even begin to count how many times I've been in discussions about some noted historical figure only for some dumbass to stride in with a character assassination based on some mundane human flaw. He/she "stole" all his/her ideas. He/she had sex. He/she was an asshole. He/she avoided conscription. He/she wasn't a gawd-fearing person. It's like most people never realized everyone has feet of clay and refuse to accept any person who elevates themselves above the masses unless that person meets this unrealistic expectation of perfection. This goes the same for villains as well. No one wants to understand Hitler. He was a monster, a villain, perhaps for many he was Satan himself. Very few people will ever acknowledge that Hitler was simply human. True, Hitler was a despicable and monstrous human, but a human nonetheless. Nothing more.

KJA is a common example of what most people want: to elevate Paul to the status of epic, flawless, ubermensch hero while ignoring his own humanity. They want to think of Paul as infallible god-hero, even more so since he has extraordinary abilities within the fictional context of Dune. Mistakes, faults, poor choices; these are all the problems associated with lesser beings, not great infallible god-heroes of great destiny like Paul Atreides. :roll:

Of course, Frank wanted to explore all sides of the messiah as a human sociopolitical phenomenon, the triumphs and the failures. But it's clear even some of Frank's readers didn't understand this, KJA least of all.


I see this as the major reason Frank had the Gom Jabbar Test to determine human vs animal. I really wish we had something like this today.


FH wrote about this in GEoD. Combat for men and birthing for women is as close as the average person gets.
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