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Postby Himachil » Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:47 pm



Wonder why the dropped the "Of Mars" :think:
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Re: John Carter

Postby Eyes High » Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:10 pm

There is a discussion of that over at Worm's. If I remember correctly it was because the director felt that Carter had not 'earned' the title at the beginning of the movie that Carter would instead earn the title through the movie so that by the end he could be 'truthfully' called John Carter of Mars. I'll try to put the link up to the discussion between Spiff and Mahnmut over at Worm's.

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Re: John Carter

Postby D Pope » Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:19 pm

DAMMIT!
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Re: John Carter

Postby Robspierre » Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:55 pm

D Pope wrote:DAMMIT!
It's tough enough to find those books as it is- the few I might find will evaporate soon!


You can find them in various free ebook formats online.

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Re: John Carter

Postby D Pope » Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:50 pm

Robspierre wrote:
D Pope wrote:DAMMIT!
It's tough enough to find those books as it is- the few I might find will evaporate soon!


You can find them in various free ebook formats online.

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Re: John Carter

Postby Robspierre » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:20 pm

I understand. Most books I want the dead tree version, be it paperback or hardcover.

There are a small few titles that i will get as ebooks, in particular, older pulp titles, simply because with the climate I live in, preserving them and getting enjoyment out of them is a bitch.

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Re: John Carter

Postby Omphalos » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:32 am

I have a huge library of SF reference books (interview anthologies, encyclopedias, dictionaries, critical anthologies, etc). When I want a new one or cannot find a good used copy on line I always get it electronically because of cost. For example, I just bought an electronic book for $31 that runs $200 new hardcover. I also get books by authors I don't know electronically, again to save $$.
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Re: John Carter

Postby D Pope » Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:29 pm

That does make a lot of sense, it's been so long since I tried a new author- that application hadn't occured to me!

Meanwhile, closer to topic, hadn't there been another attempt at making this movie not so long ago, with Traci Lords?
Found it, if anyone is interested the title is Princess of Mars and you can watch it now on netflix- not recommended.
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Re: John Carter

Postby Ampoliros » Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:31 pm

Ok, I haven't read the John Carter of Mars series, but I'm fucking sick to death of Disney raping*ip's like this hoping for another blockbuster series.

Why? because they have to candy-coat it for a PG or PG-13 rating when it should be an adult film. Then they make it dumbed down for the LCD crowd. Fuck you Disney. Prince of Persia comes to mind. TRON Legacy does to.

Note, I liked TRON Legacy, but that didn't mean it wasn't dumb as shit and a tenth of what it could have been.



*I'm not exaggerating here. I very much mean this in the form of assault it is meant to depict.


ps the trailer looks great. don't kid yourself.
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Re: John Carter

Postby Eyes High » Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:49 am

I've read the first book (finally :oops: ) and from what I've heard of the movie I think they might have changed too much. There is enough action and info in the first book to make a whole movie without combining it with the second book.

If Holywood likes a book enough to make a movie from it then why in the heck do they insist on changing so much about the book. :doh:

Still going to see the movie but I understand more why my husband gets so frustrated when reading the info released about the movie.

(p.s. I wish I had read these books as a kid. I like them)
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Re: John Carter

Postby D Pope » Tue Oct 25, 2011 1:12 pm

Eyes High wrote:I've read the first book (finally :oops: ) and from what I've heard of the movie I think they might have changed too much. There is enough action and info in the first book to make a whole movie without combining it with the second book.

If Holywood likes a book enough to make a movie from it then why in the heck do they insist on changing so much about the book. :doh:

Still going to see the movie but I understand more why my husband gets so frustrated when reading the info released about the movie.

(p.s. I wish I had read these books as a kid. I like them)

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Re: John Carter

Postby Omphalos » Tue Oct 25, 2011 3:16 pm

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Re: John Carter

Postby Eyes High » Tue Oct 25, 2011 6:20 pm

Omphalos wrote:This is Disney, isn't it?

I think so. But still, seems like other companies have done that as well.
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Re: John Carter

Postby Robspierre » Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:06 pm

Omphalos wrote:This is Disney, isn't it?



There goes all the shots of Martian titties.

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Re: John Carter

Postby D Pope » Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:01 pm

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Re: John Carter

Postby Eyes High » Fri Mar 16, 2012 2:38 pm

Well it was a good Action Flick. I think they could have done a better job at translating the book; however, I will give them credit for doing an amazing job with Woola. :clap:

Here is a link to a story about some fans' viewpoints:
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/john-carter-fans-revolt#.T2OCAI3DcO8.facebook

Published on: March 15, 2012
by DICK SIEGEL, NATIONAL ENQUIRER web editor
Photography by: Disney/Edgar Rice Burroughs "John Carter"

Not content to be spoon fed nay-say pablum from the lame-stream media JOHN CARTER fans have taken matters into their own hands!

Since day one corporate lackeys of the entertainment industry predicted doom and gloom for the Edgar Rice Burroughs' John Carter space epic helmed by “Wall-E” guru Andrew Stanton but those who have actually seen the mind-blowing heroic fantasy are saying WTF?!

In what Forbes.com and others are calling a media conspiracy and an outrageous expert stock market manipulation helmed by the Nielsen Corporation (the TV ratings corp.) who own The Hollywood Reporter and Rupert Murdoch’s vast media empire which includes 20th Century Fox which owns both “Star Wars” and “Avatar” a vast tapestry of falsehoods are now merging.

While they claim “John Carter” is a box office disappointment in the United States it has grossed over 100 million overseas and it's the top grossing film in Russia – no less.

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Re: John Carter

Postby Himachil » Fri Mar 16, 2012 3:46 pm

Eyes High wrote:Well it was a good Action Flick. I think they could have done a better job at translating the book; however, I will give them credit for doing an amazing job with Woola. :clap:

Here is a link to a story about some fans' viewpoints:
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/john-carter-fans-revolt#.T2OCAI3DcO8.facebook


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Re: the film... I have to confess I never actually finished reading the book :P

Did enjoy the film though, although I got the feeling it should have been better and the 3d was pointless and shite.

Unfortunately my cinema decided to bury the one single solitary 2d showing at a stupid time of day :evil:
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Re: John Carter

Postby Eyes High » Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:34 pm

Himachil wrote:...
Re: the film... I have to confess I never actually finished reading the book :P

Did enjoy the film though, although I got the feeling it should have been better and the 3d was pointless and shite.

Unfortunately my cinema decided to bury the one single solitary 2d showing at a stupid time of day :evil:

I'm getting tired of everything just "having to be" in 3D. We went to the 2D showing. We were a little bit luckier. They had two showings of the non-3D on of which was at 16:00. Thought that was a great time!

In my opinon, every single movie does not have to be in 3D.

okay, enough of the rambleling.
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Re: John Carter

Postby Himachil » Fri Mar 16, 2012 5:41 pm

This film was shot in 2d and then converted into 3d at a later stage - which I think always looks crap.

And it was so dark! Until they find a way to make the glasses more transparent/the film brighter 3d is pointless, it just kills colour, and in a fantasy nonsense setting like this was, colour is massively important!

It's all money - they can charge more for a 3d film. (Although anything that keeps out the riff-raff can't be all bad.. :obscene-moneypiss:
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Re: John Carter

Postby D Pope » Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:34 pm

I enjoyed John Carter.
Feels funny to say that. They took some pretty heavy liberties with the stories, oddly though, it pretty much worked.
No time spent on character development for the Tharks, Helium good- everyone else bad, no mention of the air machinery, brought out the priests of iss early to explain travel betwixt worlds, made Barsooms power source the subplot/bad guy device & motivation, never addressed Johns occasional controll slips after one scene when he gets used to his power, and yet didn't do a bad job on the movie. Eyes is right, Woola IS the most impressive accomplishment, looks just like I imagined and i've never said that about a movie before.
It's an action movie but it's an action book, there's no depth in the books for Hollywood to exclude! Part of me wonders if this looks so good because ALL the other attempts are so bad, part doesn't care. 3D? Yeah, pointless tricks added as an afterthought... I hope... none of this seemed to have been shot with 3D in mind. Having said all that, I'm glad I went to see it and will probably go again.
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Re: John Carter

Postby Eyes High » Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:40 pm

D Pope wrote:...
It's an action movie but it's an action book, ....

That's what I don't understand about the changes. There were action in the individual books to do justifiable action movie without all the liberties taken.

But yeah, a decent movie. Would love to have seen more of Woola and Sola.
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Re: John Carter

Postby D Pope » Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:37 pm

I wanted to see his real first meeting with Cantos and learning to fly. I think John taking over the Tharks is the biggest mistake of the movie, much more believable the way he set it up for Tars in the book.
I'm hoping that they've written their movies already, so the liberties are necessary to future plot.

What a shock to see Ceaser & Marc Antony in Helium!
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Re: John Carter

Postby lotek » Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:24 am

Robspierre wrote:
Omphalos wrote:This is Disney, isn't it?



There goes all the shots of Martian titties.

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Re: John Carter

Postby Freakzilla » Sat Mar 17, 2012 11:04 am

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Re: John Carter

Postby A Thing of Eternity » Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:23 pm

I never realized Burroughs wrote so long ago until I saw this movie. I haven't read the book(s) yet but I will when this movie fades more from my memory! I enjoyed it, it was a little rushed but not so much that it was totally ruined, and having no concept of what the story was supposed to be I wasn't annoyed by changes.
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Re: John Carter

Postby Eyes High » Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:59 pm

A Thing of Eternity wrote:I never realized Burroughs wrote so long ago until I saw this movie. I haven't read the book(s) yet but I will when this movie fades more from my memory! I enjoyed it, it was a little rushed but not so much that it was totally ruined, and having no concept of what the story was supposed to be I wasn't annoyed by changes.

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Re: John Carter

Postby ULFsurfer » Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:16 pm

I read "Princess of Mars" a couple of years ago and really liked it. Good surreal stuff that kind of gives the notion Burroughs had dreamed about similar things before he wrote the book.
I haven't seen the movie yet though.
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Re: John Carter

Postby Freakzilla » Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:21 pm

ULFsurfer wrote:I read "Princess of Mars" a couple of years ago and really liked it. Good surreal stuff that kind of gives the notion Burroughs had dreamed about similar things before he wrote the book.
I haven't seen the movie yet though.


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Re: John Carter

Postby Eyes High » Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:41 pm

Just don't go in expecting an adaptation of the book. Decent action flick and enjoyable for some of the effects, just a poor adaptation in my opinion.

Edit to add: was not talking about "that" movie. ;-)
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Re: John Carter

Postby D Pope » Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:20 pm

I want to say that there are five or six 'John Carter' movies, maybe more,
but like Lovecraft, they're low budget with varying degrees of odor. Was
anyone else surprised to see Ceasar & Antony in the Disney version?

Just for perspective, that movie with Traci rates in the middle.
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