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Rise of the Apes

Postby Himachil » Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:34 pm



I was really properly looking forward to this one... not quite so certain now. :?
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Re: Rise of the Apes

Postby Omphalos » Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:50 pm

I can't see that at work, but I was not anticipating it at all. I hated the first one, mostly because of Marky Mark, who IMHO has got to be the shittiest actor working today.
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Re: Rise of the Apes

Postby Liege-Killer » Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:51 am

Trailer looks ok. But yeah, that first one was horrible.
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Re: Rise of the Apes

Postby SandRider » Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:19 am

so the fucktards are just gonna skip over
Beneath the Planet of the Apes & Escape from the Planet of the Apes,
and go right into Conquest of the Planet of the Apes, but re-write the story ?

but hell, they probably rewrote the first one too, I never did see that ....
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Re: Rise of the Apes

Postby Himachil » Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:53 pm

IIRC they are selling this as a reboot of the original series, not the shit 2001 remake (although it did have gorgeous armour design :) ) and they are on about doing sequels. It's all about the franchise!
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Re: Rise of the Apes

Postby SandRider » Sat Apr 23, 2011 12:03 pm

wait, what ?

so this project is the first in a re-boot ?

that makes even less sense - the original kick of the french guy's book
was the astronauts landing on an "alien planet" where apes had evolved
ahead of humans ... and the revelation at the end of the book that the
couple on the "space-cruise" that had found the "message" detailing the
astronauts' adventure were actually chimps - and they decide the "message"
is some kind of hoax or joke - a human couldn't have actually written all
that, and throw it away with a laugh ...

the kick of the first movie was the very end and Heston on his knees in front
of the half-buried Statue of Liberty ... granted, the "plot-twists" of the
Monkey Planet book are well-known now (because the story done been
exploited to death, yo) but still, beginning the story with humans
accelerating the evolution of the apes (or whatever their plot-device is here)
is just ... lame ...


also, that undermines the quirky and mind-bending-at-the-time story-arc
of the original films - the human astronauts in the second film blow up the
future-earth with a left-over nuclear device, the two chimps escape in the
astronauts' repaired capsule and return to the current-time Earth, go on the
Dick Cavett show, and leave their evolved baby chimp with Montalban, who
eventually leads the servant-apes into rebellion - and changes the future of
earth ...

plus, the CGI apes jumping around in the background of the trailer look shitty ...
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Re: Rise of the Apes

Postby The Phantom » Thu May 05, 2011 5:13 pm

i love the original series because of the time travel causal paradoxes etc etc. (well, that and charlton heston :P)

this just looks stupid. the burton film was terrible and the twist at the end really made no sense.. but somehow i think that's what he was going for
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Re: Rise of the Apes

Postby A Thing of Eternity » Thu May 05, 2011 11:48 pm

I didn't even know that one was by Burton, that's the last PotA? The twist at the end was total nonsense, I beat myself up for a long time thinking I was dumb for not getting it, then I realized it was gibberish... felt better.
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Re: Rise of the Apes

Postby Himachil » Fri May 06, 2011 4:03 pm

The end of the Burton one is actually closer to the original novel (unlike the entire rest of the film) - going home and finding apes.
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Re: Rise of the Apes

Postby A Thing of Eternity » Sun May 08, 2011 4:27 pm

But the orginal movie took place on Earth right? So the Burton one makes zero sense because it takes place on some other planet.
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Re: Rise of the Apes

Postby Robspierre » Sun May 08, 2011 7:50 pm

A Thing of Eternity wrote:But the orginal movie took place on Earth right? So the Burton one makes zero sense because it takes place on some other planet.



Or Earth in the future and some sort of time travel was involved, it never is made clear.

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Re: Rise of the Apes

Postby Omphalos » Sun May 08, 2011 8:04 pm

A Thing of Eternity wrote:But the orginal movie took place on Earth right? So the Burton one makes zero sense because it takes place on some other planet.


It is unclear in the book (hey, it's French, ya know?) but I always thought it took place on another planet where parallel evolution was ongoing.
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Re: Rise of the Apes

Postby Himachil » Mon May 09, 2011 4:55 pm

Omphalos wrote:
A Thing of Eternity wrote:But the orginal movie took place on Earth right? So the Burton one makes zero sense because it takes place on some other planet.


It is unclear in the book (hey, it's French, ya know?) but I always thought it took place on another planet where parallel evolution was ongoing.

Yeah - it was a planet orbiting Betelgeuse IIRC
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Re: Rise of the Apes

Postby A Thing of Eternity » Mon May 09, 2011 5:12 pm

Oh. But then how does the whole statue of liberty thing make any sense?
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Re: Rise of the Apes

Postby Nekhrun » Mon May 09, 2011 5:32 pm

A Thing of Eternity wrote:Oh. But then how does the whole statue of liberty thing make any sense?

Hollywood changed it.
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Re: Rise of the Apes

Postby SandRider » Mon May 09, 2011 7:45 pm

right, that was the Chuck Heston movie version - "Monkey Planet" was a lot
simpler ... as I said above (I think), the "kicker" in the book was at the end
when it is revealed that the couple on the space cruise that find the "message
in a bottle" that is the story are apes ... they toss it aside, laughing; must be
a hoax of some kind or some one's "science fiction" story ... imagine, humans
talking ....

it's been a very long time since I read the book, but I think the "astronauts"
were from Earth ... no "time travel" angle, just parallel-evolution, as Omph said ...
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Re: Rise of the Apes

Postby Hunchback Jack » Mon May 09, 2011 8:04 pm

In the movie, it coulda been a time dilation thing, too.

('Cause they were in a spaceship an' goin' fast an' shit)

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Re: Rise of the Apes

Postby A Thing of Eternity » Mon May 09, 2011 8:38 pm

OHHHHH! I had no idea the whole movie ending was changed from the real story. :oops=:
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Re: Rise of the Apes

Postby SandRider » Mon May 09, 2011 8:52 pm

Hunchback Jack wrote:In the movie, it coulda been a time dilation thing, too.

('Cause they were in a spaceship an' goin' fast an' shit)

HBJ


had to be a time-dildo thing, in the second movie when they get underground
the second astronaut says he used to live on that street and in the third movie
them two chimps travel backwards in time to earth-before ....

hey, Thing, I'm looking around the chans for a pdf of "Monkey Planet" ...
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Re: Rise of the Apes

Postby Omphalos » Mon May 09, 2011 9:39 pm

Its all coming back to me now. Boulle did specify the star, and did say time dialation was why the two societies evolved during the lifetimes of the astronauts.
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Re: Rise of the Apes

Postby SandRider » Mon May 09, 2011 10:34 pm

haven't found the pdf of Monkey Planet yet,
but I did find a .pdf of

"The Yamaha Sound Reinforcement Handbook"
by Gary Davis & Ralph Jones
Second Edition, Second Printing 1990
(first edition Dec 1987)

the file is almost 30MB, 431 pages,
might be outdated for all the new digital stuff,
but the kid who posted it said it was the "bible
for sound engineers" .... if you know what
this is and want it, I can send you the thing
or send you the link where I found it ...
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Re: Rise of the Apes

Postby Himachil » Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:39 pm

Just seen this one:

Four thumbs up.

It were brilliant. Highly recommended - my film of the year (so far) :)=
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Re: Rise of the Apes

Postby lotek » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:17 am

I wouldn't go that far...
It was entertaining and IMO better than the previous "new" ones, but for this movie "temporary suspension of disbelief" is often called upon, and I mean often

If you are serious about your science fiction you'll probably hate it, and I guess that it hits the right chords in our feelings, but does that make a good story if it falls for obvious schmuck lovey dovey we're all singing poneys ?

CGI was technically awesome, by now you probably all know the main ma... monkey is played by the guy who did Gollum in LOTR
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Re: Rise of the Apes

Postby Nekhrun » Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:21 am

Here was a funny tweet from Neil deGrasse Tyson the other day:

Just saw "Rise of Planet of The Apes." It portrays a wholly unrealistic future in which we send a manned mission to Mars.
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Re: Rise of the Apes

Postby SandChigger » Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:26 am

:lol:

I'm a big fan of his.

I like what I know (which admittedly isn't a lot, just what I've gleaned from trailers) about how they've updated the backstory for this one. But I'm afraid to go see it after the disappointment of Cowduds and Aliens. :(

(By the way, don't bother with the graphic novel of C & A. I got halfway through and just said, fuck this, I'm going back to Proust. It's that bad.)
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Re: Rise of the Apes

Postby A Thing of Eternity » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:04 pm

I'll see it. I seriously lower my expectations when I go to see SF films, so I'm sure I'll just enjoy all the apes smashing shit.
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Re: Rise of the Apes

Postby Himachil » Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:37 pm

A Thing of Eternity wrote:I'll see it. I seriously lower my expectations when I go to see SF films, so I'm sure I'll just enjoy all the apes smashing shit.

That's a good philosophy - and relief that the horrible trailer (that probably showed too much) was not an accurate reflection of the film itself might have enhanced my viewing pleasure somewhat.

But of all the genre films out this year (I think I've seen most of them) this one was by far the strongest (honourable mention to Source Code.. but Apes is better) and I respectfully disagree with everything lotek says, on at least some level :P
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Re: Rise of the Apes

Postby lotek » Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:50 am

maybe I was harsher than I meant, I dunno...

what would you not agree with then ?
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